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Old 12-20-2009, 12:08 PM   #1
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Elka suspension

Anybody have experience with Elka suspension components, mainly the rear shocks? I am looking at one for my RC51, but haven't heard anything about them.

Are there any local shops that deal with them, that I could work with for set up?

I would prefer to get an Ohlins or Penske shock, but may be able to get a very good deal on a used Elka shock.
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Middle tier componentry. You can get as good / better a results revalving / respringing your stock shock.

If you're getting a smoking deal and the shock has no mileage, I'd say go for it. We can service / tune the shock if need be.
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can you re-valve stock cbr1K shocks?
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Old 12-22-2009, 12:48 PM   #5
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Yes, they can work great but they still won't have ride height adjustment which is very important if racing/track riding. Not worth it IMO, if on a track.

Racetech works better for offroad. IMHO
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:09 PM   #6
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Thanks for the input. I will wait on a used Ohlins shock to come up for grabs.
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Ohlins? Get a Penske, way more user friendly and more of our Texas tuners recommend and are more familiar with those products.
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+1 the Ohlins works OK but you gotta have it revalved to work great.

The Penske works great outta the box and can be made even better w/ revalve if needed. Penske is also cheaper to rebuild than the Ohlins.
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The Elka is a good shock, just not as good as Penske/Ohlins.

But better than a rebuilt OEM, since it has ride height adjustability.
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+1 the Ohlins works OK but you gotta have it revalved to work great.

The Penske works great outta the box and can be made even better w/ revalve if needed. Penske is also cheaper to rebuild than the Ohlins.
In my experience they've been about the same to rebuild cost wise.

If you buy the Ohlins from a dealer that orders it from Parts Unlimited then you're going to get a baseline valving and spring.

If it's ordered from a dealer that deals direct with Ohlins then specific valving and spring rate can be ordered at that time. I've had good experiences with both, although in my experience the Penskes performance drops more significantly as it wears and needs servicing more frequently.

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The Elka is a mid grade stock. Depending on the model it can offer ride height adjustability and may be better suited for your weight depending on how it's valved.

You can adjust rear ride height with your stock shock, you'll just need some spacers for under the yoke.
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You can adjust rear ride height with your stock shock, you'll just need some spacers for under the yoke.
Put a 3mm shim in there today, and have another 3mm on my work bench. Going to try 3mm, and then see if it needs another 2-3mm.

Thanks for all the info on Ohlins vs Penske. I have ridden on Ohlins before and been very happy with there shocks. Never riden a Penske, but know that it is also a popular shock, and I am sure there is good reason for that.

As my budget stands now, I would probably be looking for a used shock. Seems as though 99% of RC51 owners upgrade to the Ohlins shock. Not sure the reasoning, but that kind of controls the resale market.
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You're going to have to adjust that shock length to within 1mm to have it setup correctly. And if you change tire size or tire brand or gearing, you will have to reset the shock length/ride height.
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In my experience they've been about the same to rebuild cost wise.

***Really, everything Ohlins costs a little more than Penske. It adds up. The fluid is quite a bit more than Silko too. Labour is the same.

If you buy the Ohlins from a dealer that orders it from Parts Unlimited then you're going to get a baseline valving and spring.

***Correct

If it's ordered from a dealer that deals direct with Ohlins then specific valving and spring rate can be ordered at that time. I've had good experiences with both, although in my experience the Penskes performance drops more significantly as it wears and needs servicing more frequently.

*** I buy from Ohlins and while it is better to get it from a dealer like you and I, it will still need tweaking to work to it's optimum. As far as one lasting longer than the other, I haven't seen that.


You can adjust rear ride height with your stock shock, you'll just need some spacers for under the yoke.

*** While that is an option on most bikes it is not on all of them. And, it is not even close to ideal for a trackbike.

This is just from my experience.
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You're going to have to adjust that shock length to within 1mm to have it setup correctly. And if you change tire size or tire brand or gearing, you will have to reset the shock length/ride height.
Yep, and that is a PIA when trying to setup a trackbike.
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I've run both a Penske double and an Elka triple on my 05 RC. The Elka was and is a very good product for this bike but with the triple I had ride height adjustment. I got a very good deal on that shock I think I paid around 700 for it shipped directly from Elka. They, like Penske are very easy to overhaul. If you can afford it, get your self into a Penske double like Keith said, easy to maintain and handle great. Elka is leaps and bounds better then race teching your stock shock especially on the RC that loves to squat. Stay away from Ohlins for this bike, I tried both the TTX and the 46 PRXLS and the support from Ohlins was not worth the money. Just my .02
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I've run both a Penske double and an Elka triple on my 05 RC. The Elka was and is a very good product for this bike but with the triple I had ride height adjustment. I got a very good deal on that shock I think I paid around 700 for it shipped directly from Elka. They, like Penske are very easy to overhaul. If you can afford it, get your self into a Penske double like Keith said, easy to maintain and handle great. Elka is leaps and bounds better then race teching your stock shock especially on the RC that loves to squat. Stay away from Ohlins for this bike, I tried both the TTX and the 46 PRXLS and the support from Ohlins was not worth the money. Just my .02
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And that's where Keith came in from Road and Track cycles. He is the obi-wan of suspension tuning and I've used the Dan Kyles, and the Max McCallisters and so on, Keith knows his stuff and he supports a ton of CMRA talent.
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i think we done did jacked this thread...
so whats better on track support or local support?
i have NO local tuning support options..........
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