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Old 12-17-2009, 12:55 AM   #21
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well iv been welding for a very long time started on trucks and ended up being a welder for the navy, anyways i got an 08 gsxr with 20, miles on it does that mean anything ?
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Regardless of the miles or time; when you stop learning and think you know it all, it's time to do a reality check.

If you want experience, there is no substitute for seat time. You have to open yourself up to trying new things, different venues, different roads.

The more you can learn about the bike and how it works, the more you'll be able to understand what it is communicating to you.

Track days, read articles, ask questions, whatever you can do to increase your skill set and broaden your horizons.
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Regardless of the miles or time; when you stop learning and think you know it all, it's time to do a reality check.

If you want experience, there is no substitute for seat time. You have to open yourself up to trying new things, different venues, different roads.

The more you can learn about the bike and how it works, the more you'll be able to understand what it is communicating to you.

Track days, read articles, ask questions, whatever you can do to increase your skill set and broaden your horizons.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:02 AM   #24
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well iv been welding for a very long time started on trucks and ended up being a welder for the navy, anyways i got an 08 gsxr with 20, miles on it does that mean anything ?
It means F-Bama.
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:29 AM   #25
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Good question by the OP. Another question is does the size of one's bike define the rider?

Let me use my experience as an example:
On Helios' fayetevelle ride when multiple people went offroading the first question the fast riders (who was on the scene later) asked was "who went down, was it the 250 who went down?"

Although I know I am a noob, with roughly 2k miles within 3 months and no trackdays, I think I am a better rider because of the experience I gained esp on the group rides. Unfortunately for the sweepers in the rides I've gone on, I am always slowing them down but I always ask them: "How does my riding look? What do you think could I improve on? etc."
Well mainly some would assume from your slow speed you were very new and would be the one to wreck.
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Between my first and second bike I logged nearly 20k miles after 1 year of riding, then i discovered riding on the track, and I've done maybe 1000 street miles since then. It just didn't seem as fun. Lately I have done neither due to work and other things taking up too much time.
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Well mainly some would assume from your slow speed you were very new and would be the one to wreck.
He isn't slow; he just rides his own ride. From what I saw he goes just fine in the corners but the ones that go 100+ in the straights leave him behind a little.

He was following the cruisers, and I was right behind him sweeping. 6 people ran wide, 4 in the ditch, 3 crashed. He saw what was happening, reacted properly, pulled over and rendered help. A true "noob" would have been in the ditch with the rest.
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There really isn't a need to make assumptions on who went down based on the size of their bike or even their expereince. Anyone can go down at any given time, it can happen to any of us. Best thing to do is be prepared.
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Many have stated opinions on commuting invalidating the mileage yard stick and I can vouch for it being true. I ride the same route every work day and put 97.7 miles on the odometer (google says the route is 101 miles ) each of those days. I have not noticed any improvement in my riding ability in the last six months. I don't ride track, don't have a sport bike, don't ride "spiritedly" and have a top speed of 96 mph.
I bought a bike for commuting and am confident in my temerity (I am soft and squishy compared to anything else). I don't see my commute as a dangerous video game that I am ecstatic to have survived the trip home, but with 50K in two years I may have just gotten numb to the sensation. Ride your ride. I enjoy mine.
Still I will call anyone a noob who just bought their first bike 2 weeks ago and had to have the new GSXR-1000.
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Usually people use "years of experience" to judge someone's riding. But as a matter of fact, riding motorcycle isn't like a job. If someone has been welding for 3 years, you know he can weld and can hire him.

But if someone say they've been riding for 6 years, it could very well that they rode about 6000 mi in the 6 years they've had their license and owned the bike... But there VERY WELL could be someone else who got a bike less than a year ago but have been racking up 2-3000mi a month on the bike, half of those on backroads and the track.

No need to argue who's a better rider, the 6-yr vet or the 1-yr noob.

So should we ask "How far have you ridden?" other than "how long you been riding?"

I disagree.

Someone could do 1, 100 mile trackday once a month 8 months out of the year. They'd only put 800 miles on a bike. This person would likely be a much better rider than the person who put 20k miles on their bike going down I-10 in the HOV with their elbow on the tank.
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Engine displacement is definately not a factor!

There are too many variables to use only either milage or seat time. Perhaps the better riders are those that will expand on their skills envelope a bit whenever an opportunity presents itself.

If possible run a track day, commute, ride in the rain, take a long trip or even ride two-up. Nobody can improve without seat time and attitude. Some of my most memorable rides were on my KDX in New Waverly and many dirt bike skills migrate to streetbike skills quite well.

A rider is foolish and stagnant, perhaps doomed if they assume they know everything. After thirty plus years, there's always something for me to learn.

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I disagree.

Someone could do 1, 100 mile trackday once a month 8 months out of the year. They'd only put 800 miles on a bike. This person would likely be a much better rider than the person who put 20k miles on their bike going down I-10 in the HOV with their elbow on the tank.
I would disagree with that, there is no dodging debris/dogs/cats/birds/horse sh*t (we ARE in Texas) Drunk drivers, Grandma/Grandpa going to church or the million other distractions when your at the track. You certainly learn a lot at the track and develop a better skill set in some areas but your also focused almost COMPLETELY in one direction. AS has been said more than a few times, seat time makes you a better rider.

After 30 yrs of riding, I wouldn't even guess at the miles but 25K+ in the last 6 years, and 30-40 track days, the only 2 times I've been down were on the track. I know there are better riders than me, I ride with them regularly.
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Agreed. I think about this all the time. Years of experience doesn't mean really, it's more where you been and how far you've gone. I got my first bike in March 08 and have logged almost 45k miles incl. 12 TD's. good times
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Some have said that miles, regardless of where, makes you better. Others have said it's more a factor of experience, regardless of miles.
The first thing you have to do, IMHO, is to define better rider.

Is it someone that can brake really hard, or wheelie really good, or handle sudden obstacles?
There are so many ways to be a "good rider" that commuting to work every day or only riding on the track can develop skills in different ways. Each person has correct reasons for saying their way makes them better.

I would say it's a person that is well rounded. That has years of experience, that rides track AND street and has ridden many, many miles. Most importantly I would say it's a person that views each ride as an opportunity to learn something new while working on the skills they already have.

Like me.
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Agreed. I think about this all the time. Years of experience doesn't mean really, it's more where you been and how far you've gone. I got my first bike in March 08 and have logged almost 45k miles incl. 12 TD's. good times
I'll disagree with this too a point... it's like any other 'field'.
Simple 'experience' over time, but some intelligence has to be applied to all this. So you ride 24k a year, someone else rides 12k a year... you've ridden 2 years, they've ridden 7... 48k & 2 years vs 84k & 7 years, if both maintain then you hit a point of comparative 'experience'.


...and if you're 'commuting' around with 'your elbow on your tank' you're not doing something right and not likely to last all that long in the first place.
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