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Old 12-11-2009, 05:48 PM   #1
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official, motogp 1000cc in 2012

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Why is this? I thought speeds increased when they went to 800cc
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I think it's so teams can run production based motors in prototype frames. I could be wrong tho
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According to many of the riders, they think the 1000's were easier & more enjoyable to ride. Also the engines were not rebuilt as often, so the overall cost were lower running the bigger engine.
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Why is this? I thought speeds increased when they went to 800cc

due mainly (but not solely) to uber expensive electronic rider aids.
what this also did is dilute the spectacle as almost instantaneously reacting electronics controlled and limited rear wheel spin and front end lift etc.
The push in the first place to introduce the 800's was on the grounds of slowing the bikes down!

The current 800cc format in the words of Valentino Rossi is the "biggest mistake the World Championship has made in 15 years"!!
He has also publicly stated that he would return to the 1000cc format and remove 70% of the electronics given his way!

He may get his wish.
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So Spies may have a chance (in 2012) of winning!
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So Spies may have a chance (in 2012) of winning!
That's what I was thinking.

The bigger guys haven't faired well on the 800's.
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due mainly (but not solely) to uber expensive electronic rider aids.
what this also did is dilute the spectacle as almost instantaneously reacting electronics controlled and limited rear wheel spin and front end lift etc.
The push in the first place to introduce the 800's was on the grounds of slowing the bikes down!

The current 800cc format in the words of Valentino Rossi is the "biggest mistake the World Championship has made in 15 years"!!
He has also publicly stated that he would return to the 1000cc format and remove 70% of the electronics given his way!

He may get his wish.
So by moving to the 1000cc we will also see a reduction in driving aids and a bigger focus on rider skill?
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maybe the US contingent of riders can actually fit on the bikes now.
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due mainly (but not solely) to uber expensive electronic rider aids.
what this also did is dilute the spectacle as almost instantaneously reacting electronics controlled and limited rear wheel spin and front end lift etc.
The push in the first place to introduce the 800's was on the grounds of slowing the bikes down!

The current 800cc format in the words of Valentino Rossi is the "biggest mistake the World Championship has made in 15 years"!!He has also publicly stated that he would return to the 1000cc format and remove 70% of the electronics given his way!

He may get his wish.
Since when this is a the nurse gp cup? That monkey just wants publicity but in reality all of this is already written so he can be on a 1000cc Ducati and get the championship with them.

On a more topickly comment. I don't know what is the hype of going to 1000cc, unless you decrease the electronics running the 100000000cc will be the same. The aliens will stay on top. I didn't read that article but one of the main points that a lot of them fail to post is that gas capacity will be increased which means less electronics (fuel management), more power which means more TC to conserve tires, better tracks for safety etc. Electronics in 2006 will not be the same in 2012. If in 2009 you have suspension tunning per corner (GPS), clutchless shifting up or down, wheelie control, TC control, fuel management, tire temp sensor, suit sensor, suit airbag, low rider control, pegs controls, etc., what makes you think they will not use more advance electronics in 2012 unless they ban them?

Why people associate bigger engine more spins?? The 800s can do that ask Dingo (lol yeah yeah another fanboy here).

2012 is too far, i am just waiting for 2010
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From a technology stand point the switch to 800s was a good idea. It made the factories figure out how to make more hp with less disacement. And make the bikes handle better so that they could surpass the 990s laptimes. I feel that the switch back to 990 is just as good. More power with Better handling. It keeps the factories on edge and keeps them constantly devoloping new and improved stuff. Not just upgrading the current setup
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maybe the US contingent of riders can actually fit on the bikes now.
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Yea! It's not our fault the rest of the world has horse jockeys as their GP riders.
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So by moving to the 1000cc we will also see a reduction in driving aids and a bigger focus on rider skill?
hopefully yes and a return to closer racing as the gap between the have and the have nots closes up

just as importantly the cost of going racing should be kept in check
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Since when this is a the nurse gp cup? That monkey just wants publicity but in reality all of this is already written so he can be on a 1000cc Ducati and get the championship with them.

On a more topickly comment. I don't know what is the hype of going to 1000cc, unless you decrease the electronics running the 100000000cc will be the same. The aliens will stay on top. I didn't read that article but one of the main points that a lot of them fail to post is that gas capacity will be increased which means less electronics (fuel management), more power which means more TC to conserve tires, better tracks for safety etc. Electronics in 2006 will not be the same in 2012. If in 2009 you have suspension tunning per corner (GPS), clutchless shifting up or down, wheelie control, TC control, fuel management, tire temp sensor, suit sensor, suit airbag, low rider control, pegs controls, etc., what makes you think they will not use more advance electronics in 2012 unless they ban them?

Why people associate bigger engine more spins?? The 800s can do that ask Dingo (lol yeah yeah another fanboy here).

2012 is too far, i am just waiting for 2010
when the GOAT talks you should listen

the move back to 1000's is to coincide with a reduction in rider assist electronics.......................
bigger capacity, more torque, less electronics = Stoner is ****ed

you honestly think Stoner would be right at the sharp end without those electronics
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From a technology stand point the switch to 800s was a good idea. It made the factories figure out how to make more hp with less disacement. And make the bikes handle better so that they could surpass the 990s laptimes. I feel that the switch back to 990 is just as good. More power with Better handling. It keeps the factories on edge and keeps them constantly devoloping new and improved stuff. Not just upgrading the current setup
fair point
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I think it is worth mentioning that Alrova and Grinchy are wrong. JLo is where is at.
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