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Old 12-07-2009, 04:56 PM   #1
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racing Ninja 250s ....

so, who here does that? And is that a good easy/cheap way to get into the ehem ... "hobby"?
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Old 12-07-2009, 05:10 PM   #2
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they are fun but there is some stuff you gotta do to them... The other question is are you talking enduro racing or sprints?
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IMHO the ninja 250 is a great way to get into racing. Get some good suspension, decent brake pads and some good tires and your pretty much ready to go play.
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IMHO the ninja 250 is a great way to get into racing. Get some good suspension, decent brake pads and some good tires and your pretty much ready to go play.
HHEBC up front, new oem dunloppers, suspensionz???

this setup anygood?? mostly stock... not my bike, but i can take it whenever i want...
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I've raced them for a few years now and have built quite a few. We had the #1 plate in 2007, #2 this year in Mini Endurance and #1 this year in E Superstock(EX250 class).

Suspension is #1, then tires and a pipe/jet kit. The older one really needs a Muzzy and the new one M4 works great as far as exhaust goes. After that the clip-ons and rearsets. On the older version stock bodywork works fine and is cheaper and about the same quality as the Airtech stuff that will break nearly as easily. On the new one I'd get bodywork, but not the 1st thing to get.

It depends on the year as to which tires and the EBC are not as good as the Ferodo on that bike.

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I've raced them for a few years now and have built quite a few. We had the #1 plate in 2007, #2 this year in Mini Endurance and #1 this year in E Superstock(EX250 class).

Suspension is #1, then tires and a pipe/jet kit. The older one really needs a Muzzy and the new one M4 works great as far as exhaust goes. After that the clip-ons and rearsets. On the older version stock bodywork works fine and is cheaper and about the same quality as the Airtech stuff that will break nearly as easily. On the new one I'd get bodywork, but not the 1st thing to get.

It depends on the year as to which tires and the EBC are not as good as the Ferodo on that bike.

If you have any specific questions just PM me.
Do you mess with the engine or you leave it stock? Do you change sprockets for each track?
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so what org/class are the 250s in?
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Old 12-08-2009, 12:21 AM   #9
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Mini Endurance Formula 4 class
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Vesrah makes great pads for it, and Pirelli and Bridgestone both make a setup for it. Bridgestone will continue to pay Contingency in all of those classes. Both Pirelli and Bridgestone have won several overall endurance races this season on EX250's.
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You can race it w/ CMRA in E Superstock, Formula 4, Clubman, and F4 Endurance.

Excellent training bike to get fast on a big bike and way way WAY cheaper to crash and race.

Yes, we work on the motors, but the EX uses Superstock rules so we don't do too much that I can talk about. hehehe

The gearing is one of the most important things to set a fast lap. It can change from day to day and even if the wind direction changes, even on a 1000 gearing is important if you are riding it to it's full potential.
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My friend Jon Broom had good success on his 250 until a very bad accident a couple of months ago. His videos racing CMRA inspired us to get a 250. We picked up an 08' 250 and put some sticky dunlops on it and it ran very well at MSRH and TWS (Texas World Speedway) against the intermediate group (at trackdays). With stock suspension it could outrun my DRZ400SM in all but the tightest corners. I'd ONLY go for the later generation model. I had the previous generation as a street bike and it wasn't quite as capable.

Here is an often overlooked few reasons why a 250 is far and away a better bike than a 600 for starting out on:

1. Low cost. $2000 for a lowsided bike is easy to find
2. Low fees: Racing with CMRA you can race endurance, a few small bore classes, and against other 250's with the big bikes. Buuuut, you can run mini sprints and mini endurance for about half the entry fees of the big bikes. or run both and get double the seat time in a single weekend.
3. Low tire cost: a new set of tires each long weekend versus 2-3 sets a weekend. Rent my ninja, who rents the 250's at track days and CMRA weekends, runs bias ply non race tires and they get weekend after weekend out of a set with no complaints.
4. Low parts cost: The bikes are made to rev and rev and hold up very well. Replacement motors are like $300 on ebay and plentiful. Brake pads last forever. Chains too. Pretty much just need to ride it and swap tires when they get old.
5. Get out cheap: you can resell for much closer to what you paid if you keep the stock parts. Beginners actually might like the fact the 250 was raced.
6. Lightweight: Easy to haul, load, wrench, muscle, bend, etc....
7. Slow: More time to work on corner speeds, corner entry, corner exit speeds. A fact often lost on 1000cc wielding novices.
8. Slow: less chance of death at 100MPH than 150. But still dangerous
9. Fun: passing 600's and 1000's on a 250 is really really fun
10. Don't got a 10
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Old 12-08-2009, 01:18 AM   #12
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Here is the OHR race that got me hooked, having looked over the bike with Jon just before the race. The starter who gives Broom nucks at the start is his completely awesome Dad. All of the bikes that go by him on the first lap are RS125 GP chassis bikes with 85cc two strokes in them. He get to racing with a few of the Ninjette's a little later. He ran a 1:44 his second lap.


Jon is recovering slowly, but very well considering, from his bad accident at Cresson. He's a trooper!!!

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Old 12-08-2009, 01:24 AM   #13
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nice vid. What track is that? It's surface is terrible
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nice vid. What track is that? It's surface is terrible
That is Oakhill, and yes it is a chitty track.
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It's fine on a small bore bike. Big bikes get pretty scary out there, I've been told. i think the record is a 1:17 or something like that, so imagine the track being run 30 seconds quicker than Jon's times, and how cramped it feels, and you get the basic idea.

I have a good helmet cam vid of running intermediate group at MSRH on a stock 250 if you want me to post it.

I'd just listen to the real racers who posted above. I'm just a track enthusiast, not a "real" racer.
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^^^ Uh oh^^^ I'm not goin there. lol Posted too late, I meant the John's post.

Nothing wrong w/ the older version of EX. It is actually faster in a straight line, more HP. If you are just starting out the old oneis fine,even though it's got 16" wheels. We won the overall championship on one. When you get fast enough you can even put on the new EX forks and wheels to get 17" rims. Thats what we did and it's good for a second a lap or more.
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I miss my wee ninja ... and am just wondering if this would be a good excuse to get one again...

For endurance you need a team right?
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throw on some pirellis and bodywork and go race 'em stock.
pipe and suspension mods can come later, but you will need them eventually.
and you can also rent them at the track.
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I miss my wee ninja ... and am just wondering if this would be a good excuse to get one again...

For endurance you need a team right?
Unless you can ride competitively for 12 hours.
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