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Old 12-01-2009, 06:14 PM   #21
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Old 12-01-2009, 10:08 PM   #25
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i want to buy a motorcycle and all the person have is the bill of sale, and not title... what's the big difference between bill of sale and title?? and is there anything I shoould worried about?
RUN away and call the cops with the VIN.

There is NO excuse not to have a title for a street bike!
"lost" title - don't listen to them. If it is really their bike they should be able to apply for a replacement title.
"oops" forgot to apply for the title transfer from two sellers back - this is just setting yourself up for a royal PITA.

If it has plates and/or you intend it to be ridden on the road it should have a title in the SELLER's name.
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I wouldnt buy a bike w/o a title unless it was for the track. For the track, I wouldnt even care if the bike is hot (although I would only offer pennies for a hot bike), if its not hitting the street, just grind the vin off. Chances of getting pulled over on your way to the track and getting your track bike VINs ran is very slim.
please...GTFO of this forum, get your bike up to top speed, and hop off.

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i drive around town in an old 70s model ambulance, and search for bikes, I load them in the back of my ambulance by myself. I just pick em up and chunk em in there. Then I check em for lojack....etc...get rid of that junk. Then I open the gas tank and pee in it so that I mark my territory. After this, the bike becomes mine. Then I take it home and put dooky stains on the seat and make it my track bike.

I have a different bike at EVERY track event, all of them have grinded off vins, or I sometimes just put white over them, or better yet, racing stickers. Then I ride it, crash it, and go mark another one as mine.

Thats how to be perpetual in maintaining a track bike. I never worry about blown motors.

You're really trying to get people to like you here, aren't ya?

You're no better than the crook that stole the bike if you buy it knowing it's stolen.
It is your responsibility to verify that it is legit, not the sellers. You will be the one going down if you get caught with it.
PS, cops do show up at track days and races to check vins and papers.
It's happenned a few times already.
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i dont think you were using any kind of sarcasm when you said you didnt care if a track bike was hot.

if you were, i would say it was unwise to do so at this forum. maybe you didnt notice yet, seeing as youve only been here a few weeks and dont even have 200 posts...but people post up about their bikes being stolen all the time here. its a huge problem.

the attitude that "it wasnt my bike when it when stolen, so i dont care" really doesnt fly around here. MH is like a family, if someone steals, or is riding a stolen bike. they didnt steal it from one guy, we feel like they stole it from all of us.
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:54 PM   #32
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yea you would.

i bet you would even get a mohawk just for the chance, u perv....

, i know i would!
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RUN away and call the cops with the VIN.

There is NO excuse not to have a title for a street bike!
"lost" title - don't listen to them. If it is really their bike they should be able to apply for a replacement title.
"oops" forgot to apply for the title transfer from two sellers back - this is just setting yourself up for a royal PITA.

If it has plates and/or you intend it to be ridden on the road it should have a title in the SELLER's name.
What if the bike is non stolen. Why would you call the police? There are also plenty of excuses for people to not have the title. It happens all the time. A person buys a vehicle, never transfers the title, sells to a friend who then sells to someone else and the transfer got lost. That's not a problem. A bonded title clears that right up and you are good to go, with a clean and clear title. It isn't a PITA at all.
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The difference between a title and a bill of sale is simple:

A bill of sale only proves that you paid someone money for a vehicle

A title proves that you own it.






the state of texas doesn't give a if you paid money for a bike, they do care if you own it, though.
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i called about the bonded title and it can be done in one day if you have all of the required paperwork.

there's a bonded title packet that you pick up at your local tax assesor with all of the paperwork required, you'll also need an etching of the vin and a few other things,, then it's all taken downtown and bonded then back to the tax assesor for a new title
It is hard to get it done in one day.
1. You have to have it inspected
2. Then have to go to the regional VTR office (610 on the west side)
Take paperwork form: VTR-130-SOF, VTR-270, BOS, and a TXDL
They will give you a packet to take to the Bonding agent.
3. Then to a bonding agent (costs about $120 for a vehicle less than $5000)
Make sure they give you a bond for 1 1/2 times the valued amount not the valued amount
4. Then to the Tax assessor to get it register with all of the accumulated paperwork.

Like I said it really isn't worth it. Unless you are getting a bad a$$ deal.

You can download the correct paperwork from txdot online.
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It is hard to get it done in one day.
1. You have to have it inspected
2. Then have to go to the regional VTR office (610 on the west side)
Take paperwork form: VTR-130-SOF, VTR-270, BOS, and a TXDL
They will give you a packet to take to the Bonding agent.
3. Then to a bonding agent (costs about $120 for a vehicle less than $5000)
Make sure they give you a bond for 1 1/2 times the valued amount not the valued amount
4. Then to the Tax assessor to get it register with all of the accumulated paperwork.

Like I said it really isn't worth it. Unless you are getting a bad a$$ deal.

You can download the correct paperwork from txdot online.
you don't need it inspected, but the rest is true. the VTR office is on i-10 and Washington.

TXDOT will look up the value of the vehicle on NADA.

The DMV will tax you on the standard presumptive value.
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If you are going to register it you have to have it inspected. I guess I was assuming he would be registering it.
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I dont steal and the reality is that if a bike is stolen, the seller will not disclose that to you in the sale (unless you were involved somehow with the theft). .
Another reason to buy a bike with a title. It would be unusual for the thief to steal the title too.

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The fact is that people buy salvaged bikes for the track because they arent street legal. At least a lot of the track bikes I know of arent clean titled. Do you go around looking at the vins on peoples track bikes? Does anyone give a what your vin is at the track? no.
This paragraph has alot of in it...
1) A slavaged title does NOT mean the bike can't be street legal. It means among other things that an insurance company decided not to fix it after an accident, usually because it isn't worth what the repairs cost. It can be bought repaired and made street legal.
2) Track bikes are often not clean titled because they are cheaper than a bike with a clear title.
3) No, most of us don't go around looking at VIN's. I can't recall the details but, a few years ago the popo showed up at a racetrack on race weekend (Hallett? Oak Hill?) and confiscated all the bikes where the owner couldn't prove ownership. They arrested a bunch of people for stolen bikes. Some of the people were even guilty, the others had to spend time and money to prove themselves innocent.

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but if I were to buy another track bike that will never hit the street, I personally dont care if it has a title or not, and Im not going to ask if its stolen.
Good luck with that, remember if you get caught with a stolen vehicle, it's a felony. But then I'm sure you don't care.
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