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Old 11-19-2009, 03:13 PM   #21
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That guy shouldn't be riding.
I agree. If he was going as slow as he says and still eating shyt, he needs a new hobby.
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Old 11-19-2009, 03:14 PM   #22
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Nothing to be worried about. That is unless you signed up for TWS (Texas World Speedway)....
I think he did. You will be alright ride smart is an awesome organization that really helps a lot of riders.

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I didnt recieve hardly any Instruction my first Track Day and it nearly ruined the Day for me. I was sooo frustrated because I could not figure out how to disect the turns properly and add speed.
Yeah this was almost me. I was lucky enough to have a friend that was on his 20+ track day so he could help me out learn the track and learn the lines.. Also it helps if you were into racing before you got the bike. I had always watched racing since i was 8. I learned about apex break points and turn ins then. So i had an idea of what to do.

As far as that guy good for him to be buying the videos and learning. I give him props.
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ummmmm....
Just kidding, its a fun track and RIdesmart has plenty of guys there to show you the ropes.

1st track day I did I followed an instructor around all morning and he told me to go to level 2 at lunch if I wanted. I was intimidated at 1st but just paid close attention during class and asked a lot of questions.

Stick to an instructor, even when he is showing someone else lines, just follow them. If they are going too fast, drop back and find an instructor with a slower rider and follow them. WOrked for me.

The 2 worst things about doing a track day are the initial equipment costs and the fact that you get hooked and end up spending a lot of money doing more track days.
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Old 11-19-2009, 03:51 PM   #24
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yea that too. Im one of those shy people. I know its stupid but sometimes im hesitant to ask questions in the middle of a big pack of seasoned guys.
If you are riding in Level 1, I'd hope that wouldn't be a problem. Level 1 Instructors are so busy assisting their students that they don't have time to sit and chat with other instructors; at least I don't because all the students want help. Level 2 is a little different as not all students want help, sometimes they want to spend a few sessions working on a particular skill.

The big challenge is keeping the student to instructor ratio an optimum number so the instructor has the opportunity to work directly on track with each student for more than one session.
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no common sense I agree with you he needed a dirtbike to learn how to look thruogh the turns.

track day org should have pulled him off after first time going off track.
I disagree... if we pulled people off the track just because they run off for the first time how many would be tempted to do more trackdays?? That is when you pull them aside, as many times as it takes, and even with different instructors. Some people have ways with certain people. Some people can get the point across when others can't. And yes, some people are just plain dangerous, but that means they need extra attention in one way or another. Just sayin...
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Phew! I got all afeared for a minute. Now I'm back to stoked.
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I agree. If he was going as slow as he says and still eating shyt, he needs a new hobby.
Somewhat. I think the guy was mind fukking himself and thus becoming a danger to others.

The instructors didn't do their jobs either from what I'm reading but no one party is to blame. They both share it IMO.
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Phew! I got all afeared for a minute. Now I'm back to stoked.
Just listen, ask and attempt to do what you are told.
DO NOT BE AFRAID TO ASK ANY QUESTION, EVER!
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Am I really that bad? besides, it isn't one of my events he is going to so he doesn't have to worry about me keeping him in line
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I never understood why they let track instructors ride their trackdays the same day they are instructing , I'm not knocking the instructors but my first TD i didnt know anything like most first timers the only thing that really helped were the other TD riders , theres some really good people there . My instructor crashed the beginning session and hurt his hand he was out the rest of the day . With some organizations they are crowded as anyways and then you lose an instructor and now have to blend in his riders just makes it worse . My point is why not have two different groups of instructors and they alternate weekends so the ones that are suppose to teach only concentrate on teaching
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+1,000,000 that would be awesome!!!

I would do it again if that were the case.
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I never understood why they let track instructors ride their trackdays the same day they are instructing , I'm not knocking the instructors but my first TD i didnt know anything like most first timers the only thing that really helped were the other TD riders , theres some really good people there . My instructor crashed the beginning session and hurt his hand he was out the rest of the day . With some organizations they are crowded as anyways and then you lose an instructor and now have to blend in his riders just makes it worse . My point is why not have two different groups of instructors and they alternate weekends so the ones that are suppose to teach only concentrate on teaching
You would need A LOT of instructors to do that. And sadly, you'd be astonished at the number of people that turn the job down. You have to really like helping people to do it. So you suggest work with students, burn gas, burn tires and put wear and tear on your bike for a track day credit? You could corner work and come out better.
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You have to really like helping people to do it.
Everyone I have ever approached at Ride Smart with any question always seemed to WANT TO go of their way to help me out.

I have really appreciated that and thats why most of my return track business is for Ride Smart. I would go even if it was twice the price to go to a track day, I just really like the way they run their show.
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You would need A LOT of instructors to do that. And sadly, you'd be astonished at the number of people that turn the job down. You have to really like helping people to do it. So you suggest work with students, burn gas, burn tires and put wear and tear on your bike for a track day credit? You could corner work and come out better.
i see your point and i guess you just have to want to be an instructor in order to do that . Tell Dave to provide intructor bikes with cameras mounted front and rear
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I'm missing something here. Was there ever any street instruction for this guy? A license, an MSF course, any experience at all on a bike before taking on 'the track'??? It seems like there wasn't.... which I find amazing - - - amazingly scary! Two months into a bit of riding and video-watching, and then a track-day? And then complaints about instructors? I mean really... isn't there some level of assumption about whether the rider has any experience avoiding common problems on the road, or prediction of speed, or controlling the bike's brakes or anything before getting on a track-day class?

There should be some kind of pre-test and proof of at least a minimum of experience before getting out there among other riders trying to go fast!

I can't imagine a track-day is where any instructor would expect to teach someone basic riding skills. But I'll agree instructors make the difference, just like school teachers....

Am I wrong here?
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By the way - I just visited Texas Speedway for the first time watching vintage car-racing... and I can tell you I gots da fever! I will be prepared for track days in the spring! FZ1RKT RULZ - college station will never be the same...
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I never understood why they let track instructors ride their trackdays the same day they are instructing , I'm not knocking the instructors but my first TD i didnt know anything like most first timers the only thing that really helped were the other TD riders , theres some really good people there . My instructor crashed the beginning session and hurt his hand he was out the rest of the day . With some organizations they are crowded as anyways and then you lose an instructor and now have to blend in his riders just makes it worse . My point is why not have two different groups of instructors and they alternate weekends so the ones that are suppose to teach only concentrate on teaching
I rarely ride level 4 when I instruct; 1 session at the most. I believe the same is true for most level 1 instructors. Also keep in mind instructors don't earn a track day for every day of instruction like corner workers do. It's much more informal with RideSmart.
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i see your point and i guess you just have to want to be an instructor in order to do that . Tell Dave to provide intructor bikes with cameras mounted front and rear
that topic has been covered. I've been specifically asked to not run video when I'm instructing as to not cause the school to lose video revenue money.
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i see your point and i guess you just have to want to be an instructor in order to do that . Tell Dave to provide intructor bikes with cameras mounted front and rear
They only have front mounted cams. Dave gives 100% of that revenue to the instructor that filmed it. The school keeps none of that money. That's why other instructors are discouraged from filming their students at no charge. Its very inconsiderate of the "bike cam" instructors that have been there for years. So purchase one sometime, I know the instructors appreciate it.
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