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Old 11-19-2009, 11:36 AM   #1
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This was posted on the AustinSBR and I thought I would share here.

Apparently these guys had a replay of our Memorial Day at TWS (Texas World Speedway).

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What caught my eye was the following poster. I think we have his equivalent at every track day. , I think we had about a dozen of him on that Memorial Day Ridesmart event.

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I can't believe the things that I'm hearing. Some of you guys should be a shame of calling yourselves coach. Luckilly I wasn't one of those who crashed that day, but I have crashed many times at TPM events.

This is my first riding season ever. I purchased my bike in Jan. from a dealer who rides with Team Pro-Motion and told me about TPM.

On Jan 18th I went to the bike show at the Javitts Center and met TPM. I told them that I was a new rider and the only time that I've ever ridden a bike was at mss school, and I would like to come to the track to learn how to ride better. TPM encouraged me to come to the track.

I got my bike in Feb. and started to practice how to move the bike at slow speed. I learned what to do from a DVD Title "Ride like a Pro."

On April 25th, after watching "twist of the wrist" for several months, I did my first track day with TPM at Thunderbolt.

I signed up and did ART Basic level I, and I went off the track twice that day. I didn't drop the bike, but I still went off the track. WHY? Track riding is different from street riding; everything was overwhelming to me. I rode slower than everyone else because the fastest that I' ve gone in the street at that time was no more that the speed limit. During the class session the coaches would talk about certain turns and to look for the cones, but when I was on the track, I would become confused as to where to go because I was too busy looking for the cones, and I would miss the cones because I was trying to figure out where I was.

I knew I was supposed to look at where I wanted to go.

Overtime I became more confident. I started going the most 120mph on the straight only to press hard on the brake at turn 1 and take it at maybe 50mph.

May 25th: TPM, I went of the track at turn 1. I pressed the front brake on the dirt, highsided and hurt my thumb. I was out for 3 months.

Sep 7th: TPM, I went off the track twice in turn 1 because of fear.

Sep 28th: TPM, T-Bolt. I was not fast and I was having difficulties with the chicane , turn 5, turn 7 thru 11. I was exhauted but I did not crash or go off the track, therefore, I had a great day.

Oct 5th: Absolute Cycle, Lighting, first track day with a different club for $125 they offered free classroom session for first time riders at the track and whoever wants to sit in. no crash and I didn't go off the track. I had a good experience


I noticed a big difference between the coaches at TPM and AC. While on the track one of AC coaches got in front of me, tapped her helmet and stucked her head out in the direction she was going, and at the next turn she did it again, so I stuck my head out and she gave me a thumb up. I look for her afterward and thank her.

AC coaches looked for slow riders that they could help by having the rider following them at a comfortable pace. From my experience, I feel that some TPM coaches are in it for the joy ride. They just want to go fast.

For example, I would pass a slower group of riders with a control rider. The control rider would leave those slower riders only to get in front of me, tapped his bike for me to follow him, and then disappeared.
If you are going to help me maybe you should look behind you to see If I'm still there. I learned not to follow you guys when you go at a pace that is uncomfortable to me. Is this to show me that I'm not fast? Trust me, I know I'm slow!

Only one coach help me from TPM and that was Rich E. On the 7th of Sep after my second incident, he told me to work on my throttle control. He also told me that I was looking dangerous to myself and others .(I could take that kind of tough love and yelling with sound good advice anytime).

Oct 10th and 11th: Those were good days. I still didn't know what I was doing but I didn't crashed.

Nov 2nd: I crashed ended my day.

nov 15th: I had a great day. After recieving and watching my twist of the wrist II DVD I knew about my Survival Reactions. I actually had an idea of what I was doing wrong. I finally had an answer to my questions, why wasn't the bike going the direction I wanted it to go when I was hanging off, I knew it was because of my lazy steering. Buying that DVD was the best investment I've made towards my riding hobby. I just wish I had it at the begining of the season.

I crashed only because I didn't know what I was doing. But even the pros crash ( Valentino Rossi, Joge Lorenzo, Pedroso and so on). If they had a choice of not crashing and crashing they would pick not crashing. Oh! There's a picture of a control rider crashing at the SBImage web site. May be you should discuss control riders crashing instead of riders.

some of the coaches obseved some of those crashes. Instead of bashing the riders that crashed, maybe you could discuss why the riders crashed and give advice on how to prevent it (riding technics).

you guys call yourselves coaches, well coach! Help the guy who highsided and ended up unconscious at the Hospital not knowing what had happened
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Old 11-19-2009, 11:43 AM   #2
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coaches/instructors ... make or break the trackday experience for beginners and intermediates ...
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I didnt recieve hardly any Instruction my first Track Day and it nearly ruined the Day for me. I was sooo frustrated because I could not figure out how to disect the turns properly and add speed.
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But, riders need to ask questions as well. IF your unsure of what your doing then ask..........you'll get more advice than you know what to do with at almost any track day.
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Werd. The one TD I did I had the privilege of working with Curt. Awesome instructor! Takes a vested interest in what you are doing and watches closely everything you do. Not saying other don't by any means, since he's the only one I've worked with. I would not have had as much fun though if he had not been as vested as he was.

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Werd. The one TD I did I had the privilege of working with Curt. Awesome instructor! Takes a vested interest in what you are doing and watches closely everything you do. Not saying other don't by any means, since he's the only one I've worked with. I would not have had as much fun though if he had not been as vested as he was.

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But, riders need to ask questions as well. IF your unsure of what your doing then ask..........you'll get more advice than you know what to do with at almost any track day.

The one complaint I've always had with all of the trackday instructors is how they pit: they all pit together with the racers. They all know each other very well. They're all bullshitting when they're not on the bikes. This poses 2 problems: 1. For timid/shy/unsure people, "breaking in" to this group is quite a daunting task when you have questions. 2. Its hard to tell who the instructors are when they're not in their gear!

If I were running a trackday organization I would split up the control riders/instructors, and make them pit all over the place as opposed to together as a clique with the racers. This, in my mind, would promote a lot more off-track Q&A.
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Because he was new and hadn't ever ridden the track before?

My first time was daunting, yes, but we had instructors to follow, show us lines, and then correct what we were doing wrong. I don't see where he got any of that instruction until way late in that year....
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The one complaint I've always had with all of the trackday instructors is how they pit: they all pit together with the racers. They all know each other very well. They're all bullshitting when they're not on the bikes. This poses 2 problems: 1. For timid/shy/unsure people, "breaking in" to this group is quite a daunting task when you have questions. 2. Its hard to tell who the instructors are when they're not in their gear!

If I were running a trackday organization I would split up the control riders/instructors, and make them pit all over the place as opposed to together as a clique with the racers. This, in my mind, would promote a lot more off-track Q&A.
Very good point, I agree 100%
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The one complaint I've always had with all of the trackday instructors is how they pit: they all pit together with the racers. They all know each other very well. They're all bullshitting when they're not on the bikes. This poses 2 problems: 1. For timid/shy/unsure people, "breaking in" to this group is quite a daunting task when you have questions. 2. Its hard to tell who the instructors are when they're not in their gear!

If I were running a trackday organization I would split up the control riders/instructors, and make them pit all over the place as opposed to together as a clique with the racers. This, in my mind, would promote a lot more off-track Q&A.
yea that too. Im one of those shy people. I know its stupid but sometimes im hesitant to ask questions in the middle of a big pack of seasoned guys.
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yea that too. Im one of those shy people. I know its stupid but sometimes im hesitant to ask questions in the middle of a big pack of seasoned guys.
As am I. In fact, even now that I know several of the instructors I STILL won't ask for help because I feel bad interrupting them when they're BSing with their trackpals.
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Why shouldn't he be riding? He paid his money for a track day, and that includes coaches - instructors. They need to coach - instruct. With some 1:1 training, instruction, etc. he'll probably learn fast - , he's clearly taking it seriously - watching the videos, and sticking with it WAY beyond what a lot of people would do. Just needs leadership.

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no common sense I agree with you he needed a dirtbike to learn how to look thruogh the turns.

track day org should have pulled him off after first time going off track.
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oof! Not a post I wanted to see the day after I sign up for my first track day. :-(
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Nothing to be worried about. That is unless you signed up for TWS (Texas World Speedway)....
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That guy reminded me of an older guy back in the day at SpringSportbike, he was terrible at the track, just doing nonsese stuff, endangering others, and on top getting mad at the other riders, I believe he even threaten someone at TWS (Texas World Speedway).
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