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Old 11-18-2009, 01:29 PM   #101
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I'm gonna address people invidually and don't feel like multi-quoting

Brandt - thank you, thats what I meant to say but obviously bc I don't sugarcoat things, people think I'm just making fun of them instead of actually trying to help them. I AM an , and I'm ok with that.

faster321 - I am not sure what 'business class' you are referring to, as I haven't been to any classes whatsoever in almost 3 years. Wrong Chase maybe? I have only been in one wreck, and it was at the track, so your talks of multiple wrecks and situations leads me to believe you've got the wrong guy. I hear there are others out there...

thetrav - I see that you took my words as more attacking than helpful, and for that I apologize. I meant what Brandt said, he is more personable than me, I work in a shop where you learn to be blunt and tough-skinned, that has obviously worked its way into my outside conversations and people get offended bc they aren't used to that.

Curt - I apologize to you for not engaging in your 12 year old e-battle, you can talk online in PM all day long, then stalk my posts to attack me all you want, yet never uttering a word to anyone in person. Go ahead, PM me, say something on this thread trying to belittle me so I can have a good laugh, I've said what I have to say, see you around big guy
Chase, i can say that 'trav' didn't care and does not care about you but just posting learn to ride is not considered a helpful input.

You said you have tough skin and are blunt from working in a shop, try being the the military (USMC) i know what u mean about being precieved an in that way. What people were complaining about is that you didn't really say anything to help understand why he might be constantly going wide.

I was on the ride with 'trav' when he had this said wreck (was my first time meeting him and riding with a group and him) I have been riding with him alot ever since and know there was a difference in his cornering from then and now. Trav is a very experienced and level headed rider that yes likes to go fast (but who doesn't). What he was looking for was more people to tell him what he could do to get back into the zone (trail breaking, slowing down in the turns earlier so to not park it...) things we learn from the track. He use to race in CMRA back in the day before i ever meet him and have seen his riding.

I agree that that the track is the best place to break these habits but i also strongly feel that facing the fears and beating them is also the best thing.

The problem people had is that you said 3 words with no actual definitive help.
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:34 PM   #102
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I doubt there is a person on here that hasn't made a mistake when riding, probably the guy's who have been riding 20+ years have the steepest learning curve. My first bike was a 1975 CB750, when it was new, and other than the fact that it sat on 2 wheels there is no comparing the way it handled to the way the new 600's handle.
The first step in becoming a better rider is understanding that you DON'T know it all and asking questions. Just signing up and doing track days isn't going to put you on the podium, observing other riders and asking questions and SEAT time will improve your riding IF you can put what you learn into practice.
A board like this has a wide range of skill sets, so you'll get as much BS as you do usable information......the tough part is understanding the difference.

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Chase, i can say that 'trav' didn't care and does not care about you but just posting learn to ride is not considered a helpful input.

You said you have tough skin and are blunt from working in a shop, try being the the military (USMC) i know what u mean about being precieved an in that way. What people were complaining about is that you didn't really say anything to help understand why he might be constantly going wide.

I was on the ride with 'trav' when he had this said wreck (was my first time meeting him and riding with a group and him) I have been riding with him alot ever since and know there was a difference in his cornering from then and now. Trav is a very experienced and level headed rider that yes likes to go fast (but who doesn't). What he was looking for was more people to tell him what he could do to get back into the zone (trail breaking, slowing down in the turns earlier so to not park it...) things we learn from the track. He use to race in CMRA back in the day before i ever meet him and have seen his riding.

I agree that that the track is the best place to break these habits but i also strongly feel that facing the fears and beating them is also the best thing.

The problem people had is that you said 3 words with no actual definitive help.
Ok, going wide means you are either carrying to much cornerspeed, or not enough lean angle...

too much corner speed - slow down

not enough lean angle - get the basics down so you know how to remedy that, or my blunt post of learn how to ride.

once again, what I said applies, whether it was nice or not.
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Ok, going wide means you are either carrying to much cornerspeed, or not enough lean angle...

too much corner speed - slow down

not enough lean angle - get the basics down so you know how to remedy that, or my blunt post of learn how to ride.

once again, what I said applies, whether you think it was nice or not.
Can't argue with that.
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Ok, going wide means you are either carrying to much cornerspeed, or not enough lean angle...

too much corner speed - slow down

not enough lean angle - get the basics down so you know how to remedy that, or my blunt post of learn how to ride.

once again, what I said applies, whether you think it was nice or not.
and like i said, Learn how to ride is not a definitive answer, I see no reason why you couldn't have said you have 2 much corner speed or not enough lean angle. If i was a new rider and asked a question like this and someone told me to Learn to ride...i would then have known just as much if i never asked the question. not everyone thinks like you do, thats all i am saying. I am not here to see whos epeen is bigger you can have that title i dont care. All i am saying is how you commented had no contribution to being an actual helpful answer to the avg. rider or person.
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and like i said, Learn how to ride is not a definitive answer, I see no reason why you couldn't have said you have 2 much corner speed or not enough lean angle. If i was a new rider and asked a question like this and someone told me to Learn to ride...i would then have known just as much if i never asked the question. not everyone thinks like you do, thats all i am saying. I am not here to see whos epeen is bigger you can have that title i dont care. All i am saying is how you commented had no contribution to being an actual helpful answer to the avg. rider or person.
Ok man...frankly, the dude told you he was a CMRA racer and he doesn't know why he is running wide? He should know this stuff.

Something is fishy. and I think I know what it is.

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Old 11-18-2009, 02:04 PM   #107
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and like i said, Learn how to ride is not a definitive answer, I see no reason why you couldn't have said you have 2 much corner speed or not enough lean angle. If i was a new rider and asked a question like this and someone told me to Learn to ride...i would then have known just as much if i never asked the question. not everyone thinks like you do, thats all i am saying. I am not here to see whos epeen is bigger you can have that title i dont care. All i am saying is how you commented had no contribution to being an actual helpful answer to the avg. rider or person.
You're acting like I'm giving myself the title of instructor, or wannabe know-it-all...never have, never will. I'm not gonna pinpoint what you need to do to fix your issue, on a forum, when I've never seen you ride, and honestly I may not have the right answer anyways

I know what I know, it may not be alot, I can promise it's not everything, but I can assure you I do not participate in this 'eween' contest you speak of. I merely say what I feel, and get attacked for it and called all kinds of names by douchebags like Curt, who really need to take a long hard look at themselves in a mirror before they go trying to label people (hi curt)

If you don't like my answers, fine, not gonna argue with you on that, but some of you guys need to learn the difference between being overly direct, and being a big meanie head.
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I'm no experty by any means, but the one thing that will send you wide quicker than anything else is a bad line. If you have a good line you can always increase lean angle as necessary to hold your line. I've given myself the pucker factor, but thank I had a good line and I just pressed the bar a little more and made out fine

Are you flattening out your corners.. i.e. starting on the outside of the turn, driving towards the apex? Also what are you looking at in the corner? Are you watching the guy in front of you or the 'line' that you want to be running? Always keep your eyes where you want to go.
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All I gotta say is if you Arent running wide every so often then you are trying hard enough
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We are talkin' about the street here dude.



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Im still learning after a few months of riding...the other day, I learned (through youtube videos) that proper body positioning involves pointing your knee in the direction you want to travel. There's soo much to learn lol
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this is a track technique.... I wouldn't really do this unless you want to drag knee on the streets!

but who am I to tell you what my opinion is....
haha I know. Trust me, I am not dragging anything on the streets but its good to learn proper techniques for when the time is ready
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