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Old 11-18-2009, 02:13 AM   #61
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and Chase this is Chris from your business class, (last semester) now your cool and all but dude lay off on people on the internet! gets on my nerves bad.... we all know what happened with you so, there is no need for you to talk down on everyone else.... and just like that no hard feelings just trying to get a point across, you heard my situation and I know about your wrecks, just constructive criticism is all I ask, no need for talking necessary.....
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true story. U can read up and watch videos regarding riding technique but your best bet is to make your way to the track. I think of the track as the next stage past the advanced msf. Everyone should try it once.
I know this has been debated in previous threads and how not everyone can "afford" to go to the track. But IMO it's money very well spent. You can really find out what you and the bike are able to do. I highly advise it as well to any new rider that wants to ride agressive (not condoning that) on the street. It will save a lot of pain and grief.

I've always been hard headed. Went wide on 149 when I started riding about 4 yrs ago and broke my foot and ankle in 7 places. 9 screws and a plate later and about 3 months out of commish I learned my lesson. It was a perfect day with a perfect road. No ones fault but my own. And I was trying to stay up with the two guys ahead of me that were screaming down the road. I learned a lot from that day. I bought a couple of books, watched plenty of vids and took a track day soon after. I still suck just not as bad. I look back on that day and all I would have really needed to do was push on the bar just a little and I would never have crashed. I didn't look through the corner, I locked up my arms and stared at the crash spot. All big no noes when riding. Needless to say I don't practice those bad habits any longer.

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For me, it takes mental focus.

If im going wide my brain goes "hey man, we're going to crash right there, into that wall, check it out, its going to hurt. right there. stare at it. yeahhh." and i have to ignore that and adjust speed, lean, press, and look through the turn thinking "ummm no, the apex is over there, lets do that instead."

changing my focus has worked so far, every time i get into that spot its always a mental wall instead of an actual problem, except for once or twice i was simple going to fast and went way wider than i safely should have. That scared the out of me.
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For me, it takes mental focus.

If im going wide my brain goes "hey man, we're going to crash right there, into that wall, check it out, its going to hurt. right there. stare at it. yeahhh." and i have to ignore that and adjust speed, lean, press, and look through the turn thinking "ummm no, the apex is over there, lets do that instead."

changing my focus has worked so far, every time i get into that spot its always a mental wall instead of an actual problem, except for once or twice i was simple going to fast and went way wider than i safely should have. That scared the out of me.
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all i asked was a simple question. i explained my situation, and asked for any input that might help me fix my problem or at least attempt to fix my problem. i thought this forum was more like psychobike when i joined it (you know, where people ask questions, and educated people responded) but to my surprise, there are only an elite few on this forum. there are the guys who know what they are doing, and the guys who ride the keyboard. if you dont have anything of value to add in response to my original question, just keep it to yourself.
I felt the same way when I joined. But now that the offtopic section doesnt come up with "new post" this place is noticeably more informative. Sure...you have the people that have done a few track days and think they know it all. You have ones that have 20+ years of experience and think they know it all too. There is a perceived hierarchy here but that is all it is...perceived.

Knowing Chase, I dont think he fits any of those categories. The guy is an intelligent dude and knows the information. Is he harsh, combative? Sure. Doesn he rub people the wrong way? Sure.

For me.. slow down and learn to ride was probably a poor choice of words. He could have said something more along the lines of, "Slow down a bit before you hurt yourself and who really cares if the 600's are eating you up in the corners? Do a few track days, ride in a controlled environment, get familiar with your bikes characteristics, learn to handle it a bit better and you'll be handing those guys their in no time."

Wanna see some dickheads? Get some of those off topic guys in here and they'll be ragging you telling you that you're gonna kill yourself and never should have bought a 1000 in the first place, especially if 600's are kicking your , on the streets. And if guys, on 600's, that dont do track days are clowning you, in the corners, then in all honestly, there is work to be done...on your part.

I know that the time before the last time I crashed, it took me a good 2 hours of seat time before I began to trust myself and my bike again. I lowsided and for 6 sessions on the track I kept feeling liek I was going to lose my front again. Finally towards the end of the day, I had my mojo back. Some people it takes longer..some people quicker. But you have to regain the confidence you lost. Riding without confidence, IMO, is just as dangerous as riding overly confident. There is a balance that you/I have to find.

And the mob mentality here, is fkn ghey. Everyone ganging up on one perceived "E-Thug" and becoming an "E-Gang" on said "E-Thug" is just as ghey as being an "E-Thug" in the first place.
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ive got a 03 gsxr1k with the suspension dialed in for me, re-valved with racetech springs, steering damper, mich pp 2cts, ebcHH pads, and more power than i probably need for the street (so a well tuned machine) and I CONSTANTLY run wide, often so wide i have to park it in the turns and risk running off... i DONT GET IT. i Never ran wide till my wreck last year... so im assuming its something in my head? what do i do? im getting owned in the turns by guys i taught to ride a yr ago on 600's...
What's probably happening is that you're thinking that you do not want to run off and you're not looking far enough through the turn. You're watching whats happening directly in front of you. Change your thought process and look further into the turn and concentrate on where the bike should be at the end of the corner.

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I felt the same way when I joined. But now that the offtopic section doesnt come up with "new post" this place is noticeably more informative. Sure...you have the people that have done a few track days and think they know it all. You have ones that have 20+ years of experience and think they know it all too. There is a perceived hierarchy here but that is all it is...perceived.

Knowing Chase, I dont think he fits any of those categories. The guy is an intelligent dude and knows the information. Is he harsh, combative? Sure. Doesn he rub people the wrong way? Sure.

For me.. slow down and learn to ride was probably a poor choice of words. He could have said something more along the lines of, "Slow down a bit before you hurt yourself and who really cares if the 600's are eating you up in the corners? Do a few track days, ride in a controlled environment, get familiar with your bikes characteristics, learn to handle it a bit better and you'll be handing those guys their in no time."

Wanna see some dickheads? Get some of those off topic guys in here and they'll be ragging you telling you that you're gonna kill yourself and never should have bought a 1000 in the first place, especially if 600's are kicking your , on the streets. And if guys, on 600's, that dont do track days are clowning you, in the corners, then in all honestly, there is work to be done...on your part.

I know that the time before the last time I crashed, it took me a good 2 hours of seat time before I began to trust myself and my bike again. I lowsided and for 6 sessions on the track I kept feeling liek I was going to lose my front again. Finally towards the end of the day, I had my mojo back. Some people it takes longer..some people quicker. But you have to regain the confidence you lost. Riding without confidence, IMO, is just as dangerous as riding overly confident. There is a balance that you/I have to find.

And the mob mentality here, is fkn ghey. Everyone ganging up on one perceived "E-Thug" and becoming an "E-Gang" on said "E-Thug" is just as ghey as being an "E-Thug" in the first place.
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Anyway, yeah good post. Don't see to many helpful posts like that, that often
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after the crash he's afraid of his bike. pure and simple. i had a kid who ran his r1 (yes first bike) into a wall before taking MSF, in class he was afraid of giving the 125's too much gas..........

and w/ the sharp steering geometry of these bikes and them wanting to "drop" in like they do, it's gonna take alot of miles to overcome that fear.

now if he had a more relaxed bike (like a 250 or 500), he would build his confidence alot quicker.. he'sjust like a new rider. but worse becuase he's handicapped himself w/ the fear of the bike.
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I felt the same way when I joined. But now that the offtopic section doesnt come up with "new post" this place is noticeably more informative. Sure...you have the people that have done a few track days and think they know it all. You have ones that have 20+ years of experience and think they know it all too. There is a perceived hierarchy here but that is all it is...perceived.

Knowing Chase, I dont think he fits any of those categories. The guy is an intelligent dude and knows the information. Is he harsh, combative? Sure. Doesn he rub people the wrong way? Sure.

For me.. slow down and learn to ride was probably a poor choice of words. He could have said something more along the lines of, "Slow down a bit before you hurt yourself and who really cares if the 600's are eating you up in the corners? Do a few track days, ride in a controlled environment, get familiar with your bikes characteristics, learn to handle it a bit better and you'll be handing those guys their in no time."

Wanna see some dickheads? Get some of those off topic guys in here and they'll be ragging you telling you that you're gonna kill yourself and never should have bought a 1000 in the first place, especially if 600's are kicking your , on the streets. And if guys, on 600's, that dont do track days are clowning you, in the corners, then in all honestly, there is work to be done...on your part.

I know that the time before the last time I crashed, it took me a good 2 hours of seat time before I began to trust myself and my bike again. I lowsided and for 6 sessions on the track I kept feeling liek I was going to lose my front again. Finally towards the end of the day, I had my mojo back. Some people it takes longer..some people quicker. But you have to regain the confidence you lost. Riding without confidence, IMO, is just as dangerous as riding overly confident. There is a balance that you/I have to find.

And the mob mentality here, is fkn ghey. Everyone ganging up on one perceived "E-Thug" and becoming an "E-Gang" on said "E-Thug" is just as ghey as being an "E-Thug" in the first place.
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yes i have done a trackday, it was a few years back, and perhaps i do need to get some more practice, maybe i need a lot more practice (probably the latter). the ride isnt the problem, the rider is the problem (i think i stated that in the original post), i was asking what i should do to overcome whatever it is that is holding me back now that wasnt holding me back before. and explain to me how to brake properly when running too wide?
if you're running wide maybe you're coming into the turn to hot. are you setting up your corner entry speed before the turn? if you do run wide, you could apply front brake, or smoothly roll off the throttle. both will act to slow you down, the slowing will load up the front suspension and change the bike geometry and make it easier to turn in. trade acceleration for more lean angle. i'm still learning myself, but maybe someone else can explain better. cdill, chase, curt would be good candidates =)
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There are better ways of communicating information. One doesn't have to be an acerbic nor pompous in order to help. Oh wait, that's right perhaps the purpose isn't actually to help with the more obnoxious posts, maybe it's a thinly veiled attempt to demostrate knowledge.

Why is it that the rudest people on the board seem to think they know the most yet hand out some of the worst technical advice? Further they are rarely the fastest or most skilled.
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if you're running wide maybe you're coming into the turn to hot. are you setting up your corner entry speed before the turn? if you do run wide, you could apply front brake, or smoothly roll off the throttle. both will act to slow you down, the slowing will load up the front suspension and change the bike geometry and make it easier to turn in. trade acceleration for more lean angle. i'm still learning myself, but maybe someone else can explain better. cdill, chase, curt would be good candidates =)
see, this is the kind of stuff i was looking for. thank you. maybe i am coming into the corners too hot, but i am doing some corners on 3090 at half the speed i could before... i guess its just a mental block. ive been getting better, it just still sucks. and to whoever said something about being a new rider, ive been riding streetbikes for over 5 yrs now and mopeds/dirtbikes and whatnot long before that, so im not sure what exactly constitutes being a new rider. im not saying im an expert by any means (not by a long shot), but i feel as though i know some things.
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