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Old 11-16-2009, 09:07 AM   #1
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How many times do you have to run wide, before you realize you suck at riding?

So I was reflecting back on when I first started riding a sport bike. Back in June of 2008.

I went on a forest ride and I ran wide in a corner. 1 corner. I knew right then that I could really hurt myself on this bike. So I decided to take it down a notch and I was a little dissapointed in myself that I realized I didnt know about how to handle this bike. I thought I did...but I had enough sense to realize that I almost crashed.

So about that time I ran into a guy who told me about Track Days.

Since then, I'm not saying I dont ever come in too hot into corners, on the street, but I know what to do. I have more confidence that my bike can be cranked over, I know how to trail brake, I know how to look through the corners, I know how to weight the inside peg more and I know how to counter steer.

I can not even begin to count how many times these techniques have saved me from running wide, giving up, running off and crashing.

On Saturday I was talkin to a guy that had just crashed. He was laying on his back..a little rashed up. He had ran wide, run off the pavement and dumped it.

He said to me, "I was doing good. I only ran wide one other time today."

So I guess...my question is...how many times do you have to run wide before you realize that you need to either a)slow down or b)improve your skills?

For me...I think once was enough.

And by the way...I chose improving my skills over slowing down. That was back then. Since then...my skills have improved even more and I have taken it down a bit which makes for better odds, in my favor.

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many people don't make it past the first time they run wide.
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good stuff.

many people don't make it past the first time they run wide.
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so far it is.....

and i agree, i've run wide 1x way back, didn't think much off it, till the peeps i was riding w/ brought it up and made a big deal out of it. made me realize the potential for what coulda happened.

i learned from there.

maybe/hopefully somebody else will "see the light" from this thread.
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true story. U can read up and watch videos regarding riding technique but your best bet is to make your way to the track. I think of the track as the next stage past the advanced msf. Everyone should try it once.

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Luckily I never really did it when I first started riding b/c I surrounded myself with the right people.
Baby steps....
Slow turns with my weight on one hip or the other
Then the whole "kiss the mirrors"
Then shifting my over completely.
Once I got all that down it was easier to take turns faster.

Works wonders if you have someone that understands and can explain it to you.

NOW...at the track, I've done it a few times but I've learned enough now that I've kept the shinny side up every time! (knocks on wood)
Good stuff Joy...but I'm strictly talking about the street here. Which all of what you said applies, but running wide on the track doesnt count. Not in this thread. Running wide on the streets, could be fatal.
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U have a video of me running wide and off at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on the busa


But street.... I dont like that pucker feeling so I always slow or idle down before a corner and power through. I like my skin. Serves me well.

Not that I have RacerX status but I approve this thread! Good topic!
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On my first bike and in my first 500 mi.,I went tooo wide and ended outside of a turn in grass. There was grass, poles, and a ditch. I mamaged to keep the bike up and eased my way back to pavement. I knew the bike could have made the turn. It was my skills that were the limiting factor. That was a big learning experience for me. It has not happened since.
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To be completely honest it took me one. It was from inexperience and taking a bad line. I was making a left hander right next to the curb, target fixated and high sided in the middle of the turn after 3 weeks of having my bike. I got in a second after hitting a man hole cover and loosing the front. After that i re-built my bike and hit the track.

As far as sucking at riding everyone sucks when they first start. So did I but know after 6 track days I'm good. For me the street is a place to go out and enjoy the weather, relax, take your mind off of your problems. I don't want my relaxation time to be interrupted by me going down. So i have slowed down a lot on the street. I have also realized that wrecking on the street hurts and can/will do way more damage to you than at the track. Plus at the track you are in full leathers so you don't have to worry about your skin as much. (yes im still beautiful hahah).
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I love running wide. There is no better feeling than kicking off the curb. It helps momentum

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To be completely honest it took me one. It was from inexperience and taking a bad line. I was making a left hander right next to the curb, target fixated and high sided in the middle of the turn after 3 weeks of having my bike. I got in a second after hitting a man hole cover and loosing the front. After that i re-built my bike and hit the track.

As far as sucking at riding everyone sucks when they first start. So did I but know after 6 track days I'm good. For me the street is a place to go out and enjoy the weather, relax, take your mind off of your problems. I don't want my relaxation time to be interrupted by me going down. So i have slowed down a lot on the street. I have also realized that wrecking on the street hurts and can/will do way more damage to you than at the track. Plus at the track you are in full leathers so you don't have to worry about your skin as much. (yes im still beautiful hahah).
I agree. And by no means do I want to come off as if I didnt suck. Still do on occassion! I was like mid pack of the slow group, on Cali's forest ride, when I first started.
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I have done this - to a slight extent - once or twice before but since then have improved. I know Im not anywhere a good rider. Reading, watching vids, and riding more + trackdays definitely save lives.

But I have a 250 so me riding hard might be riding easy for other peeps
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Donno, but the question I'd ask is why am I running wide? Too fast? Too unfamiliar with bike? Too dumb?

Decreasing radius turns are my biggest , but fortunatly I've been able to lean more and have had no problems. But its a good reminder to give yourself a every now and then.

Guess bottom line is, eventually everyone will screw up. How you minimize the damage of the "oops" may save your life!
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Guess bottom line is, eventually everyone will screw up. How you minimize the damage of the "oops" may save your life!
Or the knowledge on how to react to the "oops" moment could save your life and your bike. Where do you get the said knowledge? experience, reading, track, and conversations with other more experienced riders. *and the forums*
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Going back to my very first forest ride in ~mid 07...

Was riding with Hellfroze, Sixshooter and NEhoustoncbr (or whatever his sn is) I was a total noob to backroad racing and had NO "lean experiance" as all I rode with back then was stunters. Anyway, we take off down 149 and I'm running wide, blowing lines and flying into oncoming traffic nearly missing cars and getting killed all cuz I was trying to keep up. These guys knew the roads and knew what they were doing- I didn't.

Ramiro (hellfroze) turned around and sees I'm about to eat it so he slows down and uses hands signals to tell me about how fast to come in, you know... Waving hand up and down means slow down, sticking his knee out to show when he starts braking ect.

All and all I ran wide prolly 6 times that day... So my awnser is six lol
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Donno, but the question I'd ask is why am I running wide? Too fast? Too unfamiliar with bike? Too dumb?
See...I ask why am I running wide at 60mph when these fkrs in front aren't running wide at 100mph?

And there is only one answer to that, for me. And that answer is...I suck..so I better slow down or get to unsucking. Has nothing to do with my speed or my bike. It is 100% my skills or lack of rather.
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I run wide on my left hand turns, but not my right ones I tend to go slower into anything left just for the fact I know I have a hard time with them for some reason. But throw me a right turn, I do ok and accelerate through (Not as fast as AJ), but quicker than if it was a lefty. Is it a confidence thing? A brain thing? or what? Seems like there is a million left turns on our wed outtings too
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