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Old 11-16-2009, 05:27 PM   #61
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Explain please?
generally they are racier compounds which take longer to heat up and are more suceptible to heat cycle degradation. this is of course making the assumption that the take off's he's getting are race take off's. they're not the best choice for the inexperienced street rider.
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Push right, go right. Try to stay at the same angle as the bike while leaning. Look where you want to go, not at what you're trying to avoid.

My bet is this is where you're failing. On a sportbike, its common practice to lean MORE than the bike is leaning, but odds are you're probably leaning less. Effectively telling the bike to stand up.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:24 PM   #65
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yeah, i agree, the 190 on a rim which is probably 4.5" wide is just asking for trouble. there's going to be major sidewall deflection causing any number of problems. you need to stay away from take-off's. they're aren't good for street use to begin with. factor in the wrong size and it's a recipe for disaster.
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Push right, go right. Try to stay at the same angle as the bike while leaning. Look where you want to go, not at what you're trying to avoid.
good, now what about throttle? brakes? what do you have to do to lean more?

remember the steps for taking a turn? you got 2 already.

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My bet is this is where you're failing. On a sportbike, its common practice to lean MORE than the bike is leaning, but odds are you're probably leaning less. Effectively telling the bike to stand up.
good observation, and i agree. murderface, IMO you're really far away skill wise from worrying about body positioning. get the basics down first.
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My bet is this is where you're failing. On a sportbike, its common practice to lean MORE than the bike is leaning, but odds are you're probably leaning less. Effectively telling the bike to stand up.
Dude, you know that the whole point of position your weight off of the center of the bike is to keep it as upright as possible through curves right?

The goal is AVOID the bike leaning too much through turns...
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Dude, you know that the whole point of position your weight off of the center of the bike is to keep it as upright as possible through curves right?

The goal is AVOID the bike leaning too much through turns...
but you also get alot of new riders trying to "get off the bike" w/o it being necessary. slonblack says he can take the corner at top speed (~180mph) murderface is having probs at 80, body positioning isn't his problem yet.
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Dude, you know that the whole point of position your weight off of the center of the bike is to keep it as upright as possible through curves right?

The goal is AVOID the bike leaning too much through turns...

The bike has to lean to turn jackass. Thats motophysics 101. Your argument is backwards. If you do not lean with or more than the bike then your weighting the outside peg telling the bike to stand up and straighten out your trajectory.


OP, you are riding above your ability plain and simple. Tire may have a bit to do with it but not much.
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The bike has to lean to turn jackass. Thats motophysics 101.
Ride your bike in a straight line. Now hang off the bike to the RIGHT, while keeping it moving STRAIGHT.

Now the bike and you prolly look like this:

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(bike is left bar, you're the right bar whole thing going straight)

Now turn RIGHT slightly.

Eventually you'll see that you're TURNING and the bike is UPRIGHT. like this:

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(bike left bar, you right bar, whole thing turning right)

You're not a jackass I don't think, you just think you know more than you do. sorry bud. This has no implication on your riding ability btw. So don't go there ;-).
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What I don't get, for the OP and humbleassasin in another thread.....

Many peeps on this forum including myself, have offered to help out the "noobs" and show them some basic pointers to make them better, more competent riders...

So why are we still having these threads? Do a track day, ask some of the vets to show you the way... do something to LEARN your bikes!!!! Quit trying to learn on the Loop and 59 and get out on some side roads with less traffic and some actual "turns" with some friends.
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Ride your bike in a straight line. Now hang off the bike to the RIGHT, while keeping it moving STRAIGHT.

Now the bike and you prolly look like this:

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Now turn RIGHT slightly.

Eventually you'll see that you're TURNING and the bike is UPRIGHT. like this:

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(bike left bar, you right bar, whole thing turning right)

You're not a jackass I don't think, you just think you know more than you do. sorry bud. This has no implication on your riding ability btw. So don't go there ;-).
Problem is, at any speed over 20 or so, even if hanging off to the right... when you turn the bar to the right the bike is going LEFT....

You have to lean the bike to turn, to offset the gyroscopic effect, centrifugal force, rolling radius and probably a few more I am forgetting.

By hanging off, you lower your center of gravity, allowing you to put the bike a little more upright for the same speed, meaning you can go faster by leaning more AND hanging off.
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Well, I just went for a cold ride. I can definitely tell a difference when I put some weight on the pegs. Also, I tried leaning over more than the bike a little bit, another big difference. Up until this point, I have been using the bars and my shoulders to turn the bike. The thought of putting weight on the pegs never occured to me, and the fact that I wasn't leaning my upper body enough. Yeah, I'm a noob.
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I was on 59 north, on that long sweeping turn right there near Westpark. Was going about 80, ran a bit wide but I made sure the lane to my left was open before I got to the turn, just to be safe. I started in the right of my lane, ended almost on the lane bumps on the left, stayed in the lane though. I was leaned over as much as I felt it was safe, the bike started feeling a bit squirelly so I straightened up a bit. I was tucked about halfway, not quite laying on the tank, but out of the wind. Hopefully someone is familiar with that turn. Do I need to grow some and lean in more, or was that pretty much as fast as I could have taken it, given my speed and the turn? Maybe I hit a little crosswind, and that's why it felt squirelly?
yeah i know that turn yes crosswind is a sometimes

i wouldnt care about the turn is southwest thats scary, ppl there really suck at driving
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