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Old 11-13-2009, 03:21 PM   #1
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would you ride a bike w/ a rewelded neck?

so in this thread, dude says dad is having him cut the neck off a "bad" frame and attach it w/ the VIN to a "good" frame

now i've already told him it was illegal and whatnot

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the question is would you ride a bike w/ some hack welding the neck of a bike together outta his back yard?

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if hes a talented welder itll be fine. but thats stuff you dont talk about, you keep that on hush hush.
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yeah, it's not like the neck/frame is an integral part of the bike or anything........
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ull argue the fact til you die, theres no limit with metal work man.
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Old 11-13-2009, 03:27 PM   #2
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if i welded it back on sure b/c i have my cert but some hack i dont know HELLS no

edit: i also wouldn't race or stunt it...maybe just a town scooter
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Old 11-13-2009, 03:29 PM   #4
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if i welded it back on sure b/c i have my cert but some hack i dont know HELLS no
really, how can you be precise about the angles where they reattach? and i guess you trust your welding ability that much.
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Old 11-13-2009, 03:30 PM   #5
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ZX6? Either way, hellz no. it will not hold up like a factory weld, and thats puttin you life on the line. Maybe for a stunt bike, but not anything going over 30mph. I have had a frame welded before by a professional aluminum welder and it cracked in the same place. Not worth arguing with some idiot over though
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really, how can you be precise about the angles where they reattach? and i guess you trust your welding ability that much.
you're not, that's why you get it jigged afterwards
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Old 11-13-2009, 03:35 PM   #9
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really, how can you be precise about the angles where they reattach? and i guess you trust your welding ability that much.
I trust my welding yes but not for a bike that would be more than 45mph....in the all in all no i wouldn't as for angles thats what the shop is for. I weld for off shore drilling and although there is a large dif. the stress and work loads put on that equipment is alot more than a bike.

The best way to do it would be to cut part of the frame off too and do a full box in over the new frame...the problem with just welding on the neck is b/c its round if you dont cut the old weld perfect its not gonna align like u said.

I was just giving my 0.02.
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Old 11-13-2009, 03:37 PM   #11
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I can't awnser that question racer X, I can't get past the part where HE POSTED ABOUT REPLACING THE VIN??? HE'S CLEARLY FCKING RETARDED TO POST THAT... And pics even??? What an idiot!
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Old 11-13-2009, 03:39 PM   #12
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The main frames are welded and heat treated at the factory. Welding on it now will anneal it making it weaker unless it is retreated. Tell him to not even try it.
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The frame is likely a special alloy. If you go in there welding with the wrong wire its going to be way weaker than a factory weld.

But more importantly:

At the factory it was also most definitely heat treated after welding to eliminate any unwanted hardening that occured while welding. Welding can make very hard, very brittle material at the joint if it is cooled quickly. This material is great for resisting deformation, but great at snapping in a heartbeat once the yield point is reached. The heat treatment homogonizes the material and gets rid of these brittle areas. You can bet that this won't be done to this particular weld.

I wouldn't ride it.
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Is that a ZX9? If so I think I know that bike. *RED* off of this board used to stunt one it it was all kinds of broken.
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Racer x get your facts straight . Here's what (transam) posted & no i don't know him & don't advise cutting off a vin # . you can be really annoying sometimes .

hes not cutting the hole piece off hes cutting the vin number out because the other frame is bent, thats not cutting the weld and rewelding it, id cut the vin out and ride the bike with no metal put in its place, if there enough meat on that piece.
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Racer x get your facts straight . Here's what (transam) posted & no i don't know him & don't advise cutting off a vin # . you can be really annoying sometimes .

hes not cutting the hole piece off hes cutting the vin number out because the other frame is bent, thats not cutting the weld and rewelding it, id cut the vin out and ride the bike with no metal put in its place, if there enough meat on that piece.
yeah, so your gonna have some oblong welding around a VIN #, it won't be obvious........not the least bit............

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I use to be quite good at aluminum welding but my rig was stolen, ive built trailers and sold them for profit, i dont claim to be a pro welder, its not my profession but id prob out weld you any ol day.
ah so he must be a welding bike expert, he welded trailers togther.........on the side......
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so in this thread, dude says dad is having him cut the neck off a "bad" frame and attach it w/ the VIN to a "good" frame

now i've already told him it was illegal and whatnot

http://www.houston-imports.com/forum...1#post10377849

the question is would you ride a bike w/ some hack welding the neck of a bike together outta his back yard?

Not at all, Not even for stunting...
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ha.... regardless of whats actually being welded. this sounds super shady lol
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If my frame was cracked and i had to weld on it, i'd call it a loss and start looking for a new bike.. And welding a VIN from an old frame to a new frame? I mean really? Call it a loss and start fresh.
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I had a mountain bike that i rewelded the swing arm on. It broke constantly at the weld after that. heat treatment was lost when rewelding.

I wouldnt ride it.
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