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Old 11-10-2009, 10:12 PM   #1
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flip up chin helmets

ive been wanting to get a modular/flip up chin helmet, but ive only seen a few models. does anyone have the scorpion exo 900 transformer helmet? if you do what are your thoughts on it?
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For modular look at either HJC, Shoei or Suomy depending on the shape of your head and whether you wear glasses or not.
If you come by we can properly size and evaluate you and get you properly fitted.
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from what i've read, 1 thing to look into is how the faceshield and lid connect, i think SHOEI has steel clasp where many othere have plastic.
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For modular look at either HJC, Shoei or Suomy depending on the shape of your head and whether you wear glasses or not.
If you come by we can properly size and evaluate you and get you properly fitted.
thanks...im going to try to run up there saturday so thats a bet.
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ive been wanting to get a modular/flip up chin helmet, but ive only seen a few models. does anyone have the scorpion exo 900 transformer helmet? if you do what are your thoughts on it?
I've got these in stock homie! Come by and check them out!
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I use one of the flip up Harley helmets (I know, I know haven't gotten around to getting a new one), and I really like the flip up design. The modular composition makes it really easy to put the helmet on and take it off with sunglasses on or not, but the problem I have with the helmet is that it doesn't have padding on the chin of the helmet. This wouldn't usually bother me because it tells you that these helmets do not offer chin protection, but what does bother me is the opening in the helmet left from not having those pads. This creates wind that enters the helmet from that opening, and that can dry out contacts very quickly.

Over all - like the flip up design for many reasons, but if they don't have padding on the chin, look into putting some there for the wind.
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I have a KBC modular with the metal clasp. No problems as of yet, love the ability to hock a luigi whenever i want
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just noticed this post... do flip ups offer any less protection than solid full face helmets? seems like a nice option to be able to flip, but in the event of a crash, would it flip up by itself? because that doesnt sound too appealing to have your face cheese grated on the street because you wanna be able to drink a soda or have a smoke without taking your lid off..
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Yes. You wont find modulars on the track.

I have three of them just from collection over time. The only one I ride with is an HJC. It fits me best and tends to be a favorite of my passengers so they can talk etc wo taking off the helmet, fix their hair etc etc.

There is considerable more weight, wind noise etc with them, but that's to be expected.
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I have the Shoei Multitech II helmet and so far its a great helmet. The chin curtain helps with the wind quite a bit, and its very comfortable to wear.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:38 AM   #12
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I wad told these lids are only rated for crashs up to 100 mph. I know that's over the speed limit but most of us seem to speed on back roads.
I dont know who told you that lie...

Modular helmets are rated the same as any other. IIRC, there are a few which pass the Snell 2010 standard but dont quote me on that. I do know all of them sold in the US meet DOT standards, and most meet the ECE standard as well. Considering the ECE standards take into account speeds deep into the 100+ territory, I'd say whoever sold you that line about them only being rated for <100mph crashes is sadly misinformed.

Does a full face protect better? I'd have to say that depends. I'd rather be wearing a Multitech or Exo 900 than a full face I got off ebay for $30 made by someone I've never heard of.

They're heavier than a full face and slightly noisier yes. However, what the offer in return is a bit more comfort and flexibility especially for the long distance rider - which is ultimately what they are made for. Flip-ups are not really designed for the sport rider, but for the touring rider.
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just noticed this post... do flip ups offer any less protection than solid full face helmets? seems like a nice option to be able to flip, but in the event of a crash, would it flip up by itself? because that doesnt sound too appealing to have your face cheese grated on the street because you wanna be able to drink a soda or have a smoke without taking your lid off..
They offer the same protection as a full face, with the added bonus of not having to remove it to take a drink, for example.

Some of the cheaper ones MIGHT have the chin bar let go in a crash - but as long as you're dealing with a name you recognize and trust, you're pretty much good. Yes, some are better than others, but thats how it is with everything.

I'm a huge fan of the modular style, but then again, I'm the kind of rider they are made for. They're not designed with the sport rider in mind, but with the sport tourer. The guy that commutes on his ST1300 or takes off for an Iron run on his K1300S or FJR. The guy on the GSXR1000 on track day wasnt part of the equation.

No different really than the 3/4 length touring jackets made by so many companies. They're not designed for track day, they're made for longer distance riding.
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I believe the reason for flip ups having less protection is in the loss of crush zone due to the hinge mechanism. Older flip ups (haven't researched newer models) had a pivot right next to the temple. This pivot was thicker than the hinge mechanisms for just a face shield on full face helmets. This reduced the foam padding thickness. What this means in a crash is that impacts to the side of the head would have to decelerate the head in a shorter distance (higher impact to your noggin'). Some even had a nice point load for your temple (higher chance of hemorrhaging at your temple) which could make the least impact resistant portion of your head carry the highest force.
If poorly designed the hinge could come loose in a crash, but the better models should not have an issue. They still have a joint/segment which will reduce the loading capability of the shell, but you may well die from head trauma before your head is able to exceed the helmet's structural integrity.
I only ride and will only ride with a full face helmet. I spent almost 50K on this brain and happen to be rather partial to keeping it. I would like to destroy its capabilities with age and alcohol instead of impact trauma.
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Ooh, pretty. They got around my concern by moving the hinge to an external pod that did not incroach into the helmet interior crush space. Also the hinge is really large and spread out so no point loading. Nice bit of Engineering there. The XS through M are Snell 2003 while they are currently trying to get all their line through the Snell 2010.

Of note; typical use is not Snell rated unless you double lock the flip up every time.

If I get a bike with less turbulence I think I may look into these.
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