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Old 11-09-2009, 11:19 AM   #61
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So I am sitting here debating on whether to get something different for my SPORT touring needs.


What say you? What is your recipe for a "perfect" SPORT tourer?

I went through this same thing a little over a month ago after I sold the RC and DRZ. I wanted something with a bit of wind protection as my 2 other bikes are naked.

At first I went the FZ1 and Bandit 1250 route. After much research including riding both for a bit I found that they were almost what I already had; a standard bike but with a bit of wind protection.

The Z14 / Busa route was next, but while they had more wind protection, they didn't offer the all day comfort I was after. (not saying they're uncomfortable, just wanted something more so.)

I moved next to the FJR / Concours level. Both bikes are very competent sport tourers, but like you I was concerend with the back road handling.
I spoke with several of my customers that own them.
Keep in mind these are high mileage guys who routinely put 20,000 miles a year on a bike, riding everywhere from the Hill Country to Deals Gap.

What I found out surprised me; most of the guys stated they had no issues running the tighter stuff on their bikes, especially with the saddle bags removed.

A few more test rides and I made my decision and wound up with a 2008 Concours 14.

The bike is fairly stock, I did remove the secondary butterflies and add a slip on and PC5, and also added front braided lines and EPFA pads.
The bike dynos a shade over 148 rwhp so I'm happy.
I set up the stock suspension and put on some new tires and that was it.

I took a good ride on it yesterday. I started out slow not knowing what the performance threshold was.
It wasn't long before I was zipping along and even touched the pegs down a time or 2 on 3090. Total mileage yesterday was a shade over 220 but it felt like a lot less.

Jim,
Before you rule out one of the dedicated sport tourers, take a harder look at them. If you'd like, you can borrow the C14 next time you're in town.
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I’m with Patrick. I’ve had my C14 for almost 2 years and almost 40k miles and I like it for any situation. I might just do a ride to, on and back from the sisters in the same day here soon.
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I considered a Multistrada a few years back, great bike but I put it more along the lines of the FZ1 and Bandit 1250 in terms of what it does.
Plus I'm not big on having to adjust the valves every 7500 miles on a bike I plan on putting high mileage on.
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I went through this same thing a little over a month ago after I sold the RC and DRZ. I wanted something with a bit of wind protection as my 2 other bikes are naked.

At first I went the FZ1 and Bandit 1250 route. After much research including riding both for a bit I found that they were almost what I already had; a standard bike but with a bit of wind protection.

The Z14 / Busa route was next, but while they had more wind protection, they didn't offer the all day comfort I was after. (not saying they're uncomfortable, just wanted something more so.)

I moved next to the FJR / Concours level. Both bikes are very competent sport tourers, but like you I was concerend with the back road handling.
I spoke with several of my customers that own them.
Keep in mind these are high mileage guys who routinely put 20,000 miles a year on a bike, riding everywhere from the Hill Country to Deals Gap.

What I found out surprised me; most of the guys stated they had no issues running the tighter stuff on their bikes, especially with the saddle bags removed.

A few more test rides and I made my decision and wound up with a 2008 Concours 14.

The bike is fairly stock, I did remove the secondary butterflies and add a slip on and PC5, and also added front braided lines and EPFA pads.
The bike dynos a shade over 148 rwhp so I'm happy.
I set up the stock suspension and put on some new tires and that was it.

I took a good ride on it yesterday. I started out slow not knowing what the performance threshold was.
It wasn't long before I was zipping along and even touched the pegs down a time or 2 on 3090. Total mileage yesterday was a shade over 220 but it felt like a lot less.

Jim,
Before you rule out one of the dedicated sport tourers, take a harder look at them. If you'd like, you can borrow the C14 next time you're in town.
Hmmm... I want to get a a "sporting" sport-tourer too, and based on specs alone, not having ridden any, I was leaning towards baggin up a 1250S or buying a FJR, just because I thought they would be more sporting than either the C14 or any other Japanese ST. The C14 just looks big and heavy... but that may just be a perception.

I know the 1250S can be setup real nice with Givi bags, and even a taller windscreen. So I (maybe wrongly) assumed it would be the most sporting, since it is a Naked bike at heart. With that said, between the 1250S vs. the FJR vs. the C14, did you find that the C14 was the most sporting of the 3, or moreso the best compromise of the 3 for your specific needs or wants?


BTW, something tells me you're not gonna leave well-enough alone, and that C14 will be the baddestass C14 in Houston. just a hunch, though!

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Stick with the 12, Jim. We had a guy ride down to the Gap from Canada and did fine. Another guy shipped his 12 over from the UK and rode it from one side of the US to the other, all with just the mods mentioned.
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I know the 1250S can be setup real nice with Givi bags, and even a taller windscreen. So I (maybe wrongly) assumed it would be the most sporting, since it is a Naked bike at heart. With that said, between the 1250S vs. the FJR vs. the C14, did you find that the C14 was the most sporting of the 3, or moreso the best compromise of the 3 for your specific needs or wants?
I know you were asking Patrick but Im chiming in anyway. I cant speak on the 1250S But I have ridden FJRs and own a C14. To me they are very comparable bikes in terms of handling, comfort and power. I had planned on getting a FJR for some time but switched to the C14 for three reasons. A three year unlimited mile warranty (upgradeable to 5 or 6 yrs), a 6th gear and a little more power.
Yes the C14 looks and is heavy but as soon as you get it rolling it feels like it looses 200 lbs. End Commercial-
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Well initial review of the new 12R is that it is just what I thought it would be.

Wheelbase 1/2 inch longer than the Bandit
Once I got the lowering links off, a bit more peg clearance
Stock seat feels better, time will tell
Already added Helibars and gel grips
trunk is a lot bigger than the Bandit had, with the aftermarket undertail.. all my junk fits in there nicely...

Initial ride ended with someone elses accident; after 200 miles I was ready for more. I miss my magnetic bags, but wifey already got me a new triple stack strap on bag..

Tried the saddle and tail bags and they fit fine. Got another rear seat so I won't mess up the seat cowl.

Power? Yup. Map I have made 179.5 on another bike with same mods. Easy roll on wheelies in 3rd.. prob 4th too.
Handling? Not quite as quick to turn in as the Bandit, will be fixing that soon enough. It has a 00 rear shock on it, which is taller and stiffer; just what I needed.

Now to get the forks done. Add mounts and power for detector and GPS and see if I can figure out an electronic cruise control.

Planning a good break in trip for March to really see what she'll do...


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Have you considered a BMW?

Perhaps the K1300? If you want even more comfort, and less maintenance (but less power) there's the R1200RT
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Have you considered a BMW?

Perhaps the K1300? If you want even more comfort, and less maintenance (but less power) there's the R1200RT

R1200 has only a 58" wheelbase. K1300 is 61.5...
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He said Sport Touring so most of the recomendations I have read doe not fit what he is looking for or am I missing something?

If you really want the best you can buy go for the BMW
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For the majority of the sport-tourer models on the market, manufacturers utilize an existing engine and technology from the current or last generation of their sport bikes. This is cost effective because the maker can reuse existing tooling and parts, rather than creating a dedicated engine design from scratch.

Differences vis--vis sport bikes
Engine designs are usually modified from their sport bike origins. These modifications typically consist of re-tuning and re-camming (change of valve cam lift & duration), the aim being improved mid-range torque rather than absolute peak horsepower. Additionally, it is common for certain rotating subcomponents, such as the crankshaft and flywheel, to be replaced in the sport-tourer version of the engine with heavier versions to smooth power delivery and improve reliability. Other differences from the sportbike class include:

Larger fairings than are implemented on sport-bikes for better weather protection.
A frame that is usually designed from scratch to provide a more upright/less aggressive riding position ("all day comfort").
A longer wheelbase and more relaxed steering angle are usually also incorporated. These provide more straight-line stability than most sport bikes, but not to the degree that most pure tourers do. The addition of these heavier parts (full fairings, longer frames, heavier engine components) also serve to increase the ratio of sprung to unsprung weight, giving the bikes a smoother ride over poor surfaces.
Finally, ground clearance is usually left fairly high, permitting more sport-like riding on twisting roads than on a pure touring bike.
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The Triumph Sprint ST 1050 is right in the zone I think. If I were looking for a Sport Tourer I would take one for a test ride. I test rode one a while back and it was a sweet ride...
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Well, like I said originally, I am much more Sport than Touring. Most of the ST bikes labeled as such are longer wheelbase, heavier, more upright.

I will give up comfort on the super slab for better power and handling on the backroads, but not to the point of the race bike ergos of a SS liter bike. My is getting old, and 6 ft 5 in legs don't fold up like they used to.

Again, this was based on my personal preference of what I was looking for in an all around bike

Less than 500 lbs dry, less is more
56-58 inch wheelbase
Better suspension bits for handling versus ride
More power, more better

Maybe I should call it a Hyper Tourer versus Sport Touring
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Here's a link to a review of the Sprint...

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Looked at the Sprint actually, sat on one, talked with a buddy that owns one.

Wasn't enough different from the Bandit to make it worth jumping ship.

the K1300S looks more along the lines of what I am looking for.
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Then again.. I look thru the K1300S specs, and it is wee over 500# dry and about 6 inches too long in wheelbase

Funny thing is, the screen, dash, upper tree and bars, mirrors, even the design of the sides of the frame are vaguely similar to what I already got...

hmmmm maybe they had it right all the way back in 2000..
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