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Old 10-23-2009, 08:43 AM   #1
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Busa vs Blackbird?

Why is the Blackbird not as popular?

I don't think I've ever seen a super clean, low milage one ever sell for more then $3500.

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Old 10-23-2009, 08:54 AM   #2
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Because Hayabusas eat Blackbirds.
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They are nice bikes, but no where near as nice as a busa, slower, bigger, heavier, less comfortable, lots of little things add up to a less desirable bike, but they are still cool bikes
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Because Hayabusas eat Blackbirds.
It's true. Slow compared to the Busa. Almost a neck-n-neck with the old ZX-11. They are a very refined bike and I wouldn't mind having one for a daily rider.
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Taken from some random site.Hayabusa Background

Based on many sources I have ascertained the following historical information about the Hayabusa. The name as you may have not heard comes from the Japanese Peregrine falcon. It is one of the few animals which can travel at about 300km per hour (in a dive). The designer apparently came up with the name whilst walking along the beach and seeing this bird. The colour scheme of gold/bronze and silver are similar to those of the falcon its self. Believe of not - it is said that this falcon often hunts actual Blackbirds which I still think is a PR stunt ! (Update: It is actually fact that falcons do hunt black birds and any other one for that matter.)
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Yeah! That one is the fastest.
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They are nice bikes, but no where near as nice as a busa, slower, bigger, heavier, less comfortable, lots of little things add up to a less desirable bike, but they are still cool bikes
Please explain how the 1100xx is "bigger" than the GSX1300r when the Hayabusa is 20mm wider and 20mm longer?

As far as the difference in weight goes (8 Kg) maybe Suzuki should have built a little more mass into the subframe to improve structural integrity and not require a recall.
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The Hayabusa is both wider and longer so what aspect of of the 1100xx being "bigger" am I missing?
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Taken from some random site.Hayabusa Background

Based on many sources I have ascertained the following historical information about the Hayabusa. The name as you may have not heard comes from the Japanese Peregrine falcon. It is one of the few animals which can travel at about 300km per hour (in a dive). The designer apparently came up with the name whilst walking along the beach and seeing this bird. The colour scheme of gold/bronze and silver are similar to those of the falcon its self. Believe of not - it is said that this falcon often hunts actual Blackbirds which I still think is a PR stunt ! (Update: It is actually fact that falcons do hunt black birds and any other one for that matter.)
Honda actually started that stuff back in the 80's when Kawasaki was undisputed king in all categories. Check out this commercial that really hyped up what was to come.
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Please explain how the 1100xx is "bigger" than the GSX1300r when the Hayabusa is 20mm wider and 20mm longer?

As far as the difference in weight goes (8 Kg) maybe Suzuki should have built a little more mass into the subframe to improve structural integrity and not require a recall.
Sorry my bad, I have ridden both and seem to remember to blackbird being much bigger, but I admit I didnt go look up the specs, , how silly of me
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No big deal. Not uncommon for someone who owns a one or the other in a a bike comparison to be naturally baised towards their bike. I own a '97 1100xx and prefer the Honda over the Suzuki but my reasons aren't based on just specifications.

Personally I've always leaned more towards Honda's (I currently own 7 of them). My one experience not drinking the Honda Kool-Aid (owning a Suzuki RF900R) did not compare from a realibility and dealer experience perspective so I never looked back. Obviously, yours and other folks mileage may vary.

I own a 97 1100x and live up north too (Kingwood) so if you are ever curious to compare the two bikes side by side let me know.
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continued ...

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the Hayabusa; the looks just never grew on me. My biggest concern with ever owning one are more from a reliability perspective. Subframe and can chain tensioner failures would be enough to keep me from seriously considering putting one in the garage (if I could ever get over the aestetics issue).

Its funny that you mentioned the 1100xx as being "less comfortable". I love the ergos on the Blackbird and have done several hundred-mile days on it with very few complaints. Once again comfort, like aestetics, is a subjective thing so YMMV.
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yeah i remember that .. i think them hurricanes got into high pressure and laid down before reaching landfall .. cause them hondas have been some lame ducks for decades ..
Honda caught quite a bit of trouble for the Hurricane. During its production run the insurance companies claimed it to be the highest loss in claims overall as far as vehicles go. Mostly 600cc claims. Some friends of mine are Allstate agents and they said the Hurricane was still on the uninsurable list for most companies in 1995. This was years after they were even made. Honda actually dropped the Hurricane moniker because the target age group couldn't get insurance once the name was spoken. No insurance, no financing. Bikes sat on the floors. I am surprised the Ninja moniker didnt do the same to Kawasaki.
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I would say that the zx-12 would be more comfy. I got a gsxr 1100 feel better in the corners. but straight line the "bird" is faster compairing the bird and busa. different era is bikes. zx-14 to busa. you know apples to apples not, apples to oranges
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