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Old 10-22-2009, 07:24 PM   #1
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Brake pads consultation

Which one is a better brake pad in your opinion? They both metallic sinistered pads. Thanks.

1) Vesrah JL
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2) EBC HH

**other model/brands are not available for the 08 ninja 250r so doesn't really matter if it's a better choice in this case.
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:54 PM   #2
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i have ebc's right now and a pack of vesrah's ....so when its time for new pads i will be using those. i like the ebc's so far. know alot of people that use ebc and never heard anything bad.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:03 PM   #3
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Vesrah pads are used across the paddock on track days and race days. I've used them both and found that Vesrah's give me higher friction levels and much longer wear. Despite a very heavy track season and a giant of a man on a gixxer 1000, my Vesrah XX pads have lasted the full season.

1 set of Vesrah pads, the full season and running pretty decent lap times.

BTW.... Vesrah RJL, SRJL-17, SRJL-XX... which pads do you have?

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Old 10-22-2009, 08:06 PM   #4
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Vesrah pads are used across the paddock on track days and race days. I've used them both and found that Vesrah's give me higher friction levels and much longer wear. Despite a very heavy track season and a giant of a man on a gixxer 1000, my Vesrah XX pads have lasted the full season.

1 set of Vesrah pads, the full season and running pretty decent lap times.

BTW.... Vesrah RJL, SRJL-17, SRJL-XX... which pads do you have?

-Curt
this......is exactly what i was trying to say.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:27 PM   #5
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+1 on Curt's comments. I converted from EBC to Vesrah and I love 'em.

To be plain though, both brake pads are excellent and get the job done. I prefer the feel of the Vesrah at the track. For street riding, I'd doubt it would make much difference.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:29 PM   #6
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Hey Tom, did you get equivalent wear out of the EBC's? I was burning through them like nobody's business.

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Old 10-22-2009, 08:31 PM   #7
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BTW, I just noticed he's riding a Ninja 250. Such a lightweight bike, friction levels probably aren't nearly as important. On that bike, I'd probably use cost of the pads as the determining factor.

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Hey Tom, did you get equivalent wear out of the EBC's? I was burning through them like nobody's business.

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I've gotten worse wear out of the Vesrah's, neither one wore out really fast for me, but I'm not a late/ hard braker. As far as wear goes, they're both about the same for me.

We raced the EBCs for years and never really had any issues. We switched to Ferrodo which was a lot like the Vesrah's in terms of initial bite and grab, but when we moved to Vesrah's we got great bite, grab and feel, along with great wear (the Ferrodo's didn't last long and created what I thought was a lot of dust).

I typically did the same thing on my personal bike that we did on the Team bike so that practice would be relatively consistent and using my bike as a backup was not going to be a big difference to the rest of the team.

I still use the Vesrah RJL on my GSXR.
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BTW, I just noticed he's riding a Ninja 250. Such a lightweight bike, friction levels probably aren't nearly as important. On that bike, I'd probably use cost of the pads as the determining factor.

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Ummm, not really. The front tends to tuck on the 250 while braking hard at full lean. You need a very strong pad but very controlable. Definatly not EBC as they tend to get more grippy at the same bar pressure. Ferodo has mucho grip but it will match your input, which is criticle while leaned over.

Tom, who cares about dust? lol
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Oops, I thought this was about racing.

Max, you're right it won't matter on the street.

They make Ferodo's for the 08/09.
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Old 10-22-2009, 11:38 PM   #11
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Hey Keith, does the Ferodo pad have a higher friction level than the Vesrah SRJL? Is it a linear or progressive pad, in your opinion?

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Old 10-23-2009, 07:47 AM   #13
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strange that your thread here...

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?p=115279

is unanimously in favor of the EBC's.

I run EBC's. I am 258lbs, brake hard and went through 2 sets in 30 some odd track days and 21 sprint races this year. Call Patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited, he stocks them.

I have never used Vesrah.

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Old 10-23-2009, 07:53 AM   #14
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What I see is a bunch of folks that haven't tried Vesrah....

There are all the posts in the thread...


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"I basically narrowed it down to these two...which one do you think it's the best?

EBC FA197-HH
Vesrah JL **(RJL and SRJL is not available for 250 for now)** "

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Check out the wiki article here:

http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/Which_brake_pads

It comes to the same conclusion you did, that the EBC FA197HH seem to be the way to go. I've got the EBC197 (non-HH) on the front right now, and that was not an optimal choice, and will be switching them out for the HH's the next time I get a minute while the bike is on stands.

I haven't seen a comparison with the Vesrah JL's yet.

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agree with Alex. the sintered metal pads are OEM on the 07-down models.. it only stands to reason that the 08-10s are as well. The EBC HH seems to be the part of choice as well.
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I have the FA197HH and the performance is much better than stock. Took me a day or so to get used to them.
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I am in the market for new pads myself as well what is a good website that has these pads in stock? I can't seem to find these pads on the regular sites I buy from it seems.
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The front and rear brakes are identical, so anything that works for the front will work for the rear. That said, for an optimal brake balance, it's not always a good idea to have extra grippy rear pads. Running FA197HH on the front and FA197 (non-HH) on the rear is probably a reasonable idea. I picked up some FA197HH's awhile back on cyclebrakes.com; good pricing and quick shipping.
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Thanks for the info Alex. One last n00b question if you don't mind. Do they come in sets of two pads per order?
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1 order = 1 caliper setup = 2 pads
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Thanks for the info. Just finished putting in my order at cyclebrakes.
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Good deal..that's where I got mine. Not sure if needed on bike rotors but a carry over from my track cars...I give the rotor a clean with SimpleGreen or the like and a fine weave steel wool or a soap impregnated steel wool pad to clean off the old pad material. It took me a good 200-300 miles of new pad bedding in before I got the stopping performance back...probably longer than some other folk since I was easy on the brake lever for that period. Overall, the stock sintered pads are pretty comparable to the EBC HH's as I think you'll notice.
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I've never had a problem with EBC HH, but my stock pads are actually better. I run OEM
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Although it doesnt mention Vesrah, which I understand this thread is about..

This is a good article, that was in that ninjette thread.

http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/Which_brake_pads

I'm not knocking Vesrah, like I mentioned, i have NEVER used them.

I dunno...I guess I just get all worked up with all the Vesrah talk. Not from you Curt, but from people that dont brake hard and are slow but wanna rant and rave about them when they haven't remotely pushed the limits of a pad or even got into any brake fade for that matter. It's like they are parroting what they hear with no real experience to back it up.

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I've used them, Ferodo work better for the above reasons.

They are linear Max.
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I like the Ferodo, they just didn't last as long as the Vesrah or EBC.

The bite and feel on the Vesrahs are sooo sweet.
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For street use the EBC HH pads get my vote.
They're less expensive than OEM, provide better stopping power and last longer.

As far as racing pads, it comes down to personal preference.

I will say this though, to the best of my knowledge Curt / Maxgs has not tried the EBC EPFA pads.
The EBC EPFA are completely different in terms of wear life / initial bite and modulation than the older GFA pads to which he's referring.
I can't speak for either Tom or Keith / R&T, but from their description of the pads I'd be surprised if they have either, so the information / feedback may not be current. I may be incorrect about them however.

A number of very fast guys use the EBC EPFA pads. Tony Ta among others won several championships this years on the EPFA pads and several of the best stunters around use the EPFA pads for their stoppies; Prodigy and Jordo.

For street or track use you can't go wrong with either pad, and we sell both.
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If your using your brakes your slowing down. If you want a faster laptime
get off the brakes. if only that theory wasn't flawed I'd be better than rossi lol
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