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Old 10-20-2009, 08:17 AM   #1
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Texas World Speedway's NASCAR Turns 3 and 4

Texas World Speedway is one of only seven "superspeedways" of two miles (or greater) length in the United States, with the length of the TWS (Texas World Speedway) NASCAR oval being 2.0 miles. If you've ever ridden around them or stood on the NASCAR turns at TWS (Texas World Speedway), you know they are more massive than a camera can capture. The banking angle is 22 degrees, and the turns are about six stories tall. Although Daytona (31 degrees) and Talledega (33 degrees) are steeper (and bigger), TWS (Texas World Speedway) is no slouch. It's a bit freaky to walk, ride or stand on these corners because they are so huge. The CMRA (then CRRC) used NASCAR turns 3 and 4 as part of the road course prior to TWS (Texas World Speedway) renovation in the early 1991. The banking was last used for a CMRA race in August 1994. Speeds were very, very fast!

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Old 10-20-2009, 08:28 AM   #2
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You know, it's funny, when you are going fast down the front straight it doesn't seem very steep. But when we did the parade lap at 20 miles an hour, it really seems steep.
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but... it's still Nascar that sucks and it's still a oval /snooze
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Pretty cool pictures! I remember trying to walk up the Daytona bankings. Pretty crazy how steep they are in person.
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You know, it's funny, when you are going fast down the front straight it doesn't seem very steep. But when we did the parade lap at 20 miles an hour, it really seems steep.
Yeah, and the front bank is only 8 degrees.


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but... it's still Nascar that sucks and it's still a oval /snooze
I agree that NASCAR sucks, but try to keep up with us, here. I'm not talking about NASCAR, I'm talking motorcycle roadracing because this is (supposed to be) a bike forum. They don't race NASCAR at TWS (Texas World Speedway) anymore, and they haven't since 1981. Sure, NASCAR drivers will still come and test here once in a while, but that's it. It's only called "NASCAR turn so-and-so" by formality.
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In hind-sight, that old configuration of coming out of the horseshoe on to the NASCAR oval was scary as HALE. Then, it didn't seem like any big deal...
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You know, it's funny, when you are going fast down the front straight it doesn't seem very steep. But when we did the parade lap at 20 miles an hour, it really seems steep.
you know what's even funnier greg?

THE FRONT STRAIGHT ISN'T EVEN NEAR AS STEEP AS AROUND THE EDGES OF THE OVAL!!!!

we took some pit bikes around the oval, and it was scrapin pegs while we were trying to go straight!
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You know, it's funny, when you are going fast down the front straight it doesn't seem very steep. But when we did the parade lap at 20 miles an hour, it really seems steep.
100% true....scared me at first
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All the laps I've done out there in cars and now on bikes, and I've never been on the banking in the turns. I need to check it out.
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All the laps I've done out there in cars and now on bikes, and I've never been on the banking in the turns. I need to check it out.
definately gotta do it curt! it's amazing how much more steeper it is than the front straight!
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All the laps I've done out there in cars and now on bikes, and I've never been on the banking in the turns. I need to check it out.
The owners have (and I'm sure will in the future) already held some testing events there, email Rusty and see if there is a schedule for you and your 4-wheeled friends! We took some bikes up there and ran it at speed, perty need stuff.
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The owners have (and I'm sure will in the future) already held some testing events there, email Rusty and see if there is a schedule for you and your 4-wheeled friends! We took some bikes up there and ran it at speed, perty need stuff.
How does that feel Tom?
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How does that feel Tom?
Nothing really special IMHO, but cool none-the-less. It's intimidating at first though, just the unknown from lack of experience.
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In hind-sight, that old configuration of coming out of the horseshoe on to the NASCAR oval was scary as HALE. Then, it didn't seem like any big deal...
Here is that corner, Tom. I'm looking back at T9 (carousal) here, while standing at the entry to NASCAR T3. The old configuration used the part of the track that is coned off here. It made for a very fast left hander onto the start of NASCAR T3. Note that it is slightly banked. This corner was also very dangerous since there is zero runoff room. I mentioned in another post that Terry Exum was killed here in 1988 when he crashed and slid into the concrete wall and was then hit by his bike. (The concrete wall is behind me while I take this picture.)

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Here's a shot looking backwards into T3. Note the yellow track status light hanging near the top of the wall. Green, yellow and red lights told the drivers what was happening on the track. In the motorcycle roadracing days, we didn't use these lights. It was a fairly long ride from the start of T3 until you crossed the start/finish line. After entering NASCAR T3, the starter was your next flagman! Man, I still remember how slow my Honda Interceptor 500 was when I was on this banking back in the day. By lowly Interceptor 500 standards I was wrung out and WFO by NASCAR T4! I also vividly remember some very classic and cool racers screaming around these turns, headed for the flag.

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Man, I still remember how slow my Interceptor 500 was when I was on this banking back in the day. By Interceptor 500 standards I was wrung out and WFO by NASCAR T4!
Try it on an Ascot! Holy it took forever to get around that track...
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I got to ride the banking outside (roadcourse) turn2 on Friday. I don't know what happened but I was coming from 1 to 2 and passing on the outside and then all of the sudden I was doing 60+ through the grass trying to keep the bike up. Slowed it down and finally made it all the way through the grass and to the banking. Jumped on there and road it around to wheelie hill and waited for a brake to get back on the track. I took it slow and only for a few feet, but that banked wall they call a turn was pretty intimidating.
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you know what's even funnier greg?

THE FRONT STRAIGHT ISN'T EVEN NEAR AS STEEP AS AROUND THE EDGES OF THE OVAL!!!!

we took some pit bikes around the oval, and it was scrapin pegs while we were trying to go straight!
Tony, I know, without any speed it is just creepy.
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I remember car racing and a flying start at Charlotte motor speedway and I was gridded mid pack outside and was sure I was going to fall in to the car below me while following the pace car.
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Riding banking is nuts. I have ridden Daytona and it is a rush. You are glued to the bike cant evan lift your legs and you have to press so hard on the bars to get the bike straight.
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Riding banking is nuts. I have ridden Daytona and it is a rush. You are glued to the bike cant evan lift your legs and you have to press so hard on the bars to get the bike straight.
I hear ya. I've raced the banking at Daytona, Pocono, Texas Motor Speedway and Texas World Speedway, and they were all scary or freaky. Actually, I think I'd say that TWS (Texas World Speedway) was intimidating, TMS is less than good, Daytona is freaky, and Pocono is downright scary.
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