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Old 10-15-2009, 02:13 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by SecretAgent View Post
i disagree, several people feel that the metric bikes are great competition for HD, but they sell 50 HD's to every 1 metric cruiser in the US. The buell's didn't follow HD's marketing model, nor their engineering model. It was Erik Buell's insistence that they use a hopped up Sportster engine for so long that dissuaded so many potential buyers. That engine couldn't keep pace with the Japanese and Italians, nor was it anywhere near as civilized. Buell never built a great bike. They built good ones, but in the markets they tried to compete in, good doesn't cut it. The company's failure was inevitiable. , even before Harley bought them the company was about to fold.

back to harley, even in these economic times HD is still doing 1.2 BILLION dollars of revenue PER QUARTER and is still on par to be over 125 million in the black by the end of the year. yes their profits aren't near what they were, but they are still selling bikes, and they are still making money. HD won't be going bankrupt any time soon.
I'm still not sure what part you disagreed with? That Buell was a bad competitor?
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Old 10-16-2009, 09:39 AM   #22
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Harley is feeling the pinch like everyone else these days.
I'm sure they will ride it out in time.
They have a loyal following in their owners, but maybe for a few years they might take a hit.
It is sad their bike are priced so high, their competitors are closing in on them.
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Old 10-31-2009, 02:08 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by houstonch73 View Post
that is something I did not know. I'll admit I'm not very familiar with the Buell bikes. I just thought that HD never really seemed to be fully behind them. I may have mentioned it before but I think the HD marketing machine should have waged an all out war on the competition. From the marketing I ever saw, I thought it was lukewarm at best.

oh no doubt. I would think that the govt would step in & intervene before HD would fold. seriously.
Not at all true that Erik Buell insisted for years on using Sportster engines. Harley insisted on that. If you look at Buell's background he penned the blueprint for his vision of a successful RR bike in the eighties, the powerplant for which was a Yamaha two stroke 750 watercooled inline 4. Timing was awful as the class the bike qualified for disappeared less than two years after announcing the first bikes. Fortunate for him at the time HD stepped into the picture- although in the long run it was the albatross around his neck too.
The success behind the 1125 rests with marrying a worthy engine for his not inconsiderable talent with chassis engineering. HD had another powerplant that could have been a boon both for them and for Buell, the V-rod. Instead they decide to place that in an U.S. V-Max beater of sorts. Why the engines weren't available for a Buell as well is mysterious. It's not as though the market the 1125r sells in would cannibalize V-rod sales. Much adieu to what could have been.Nonetheless, the Rotax engined bike is pretty impressive, though not easy on the eyes! One hopes Buell's chutzpa will allow the man to generate two-wheeled genius again.

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