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Old 09-29-2009, 05:46 PM   #21
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Old 09-29-2009, 06:38 PM   #22
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I clutch from first to second but dont the rest. I always downshift with the clutch.
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Old 09-29-2009, 06:40 PM   #23
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im getting away from useing the clutch more and more !
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:58 PM   #24
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There have been some tests showing that clutchless upshifts can be damaging to the gears.

Personally, I clutchless upshift 99% of the time @ the track and clutchless downshift some. I'd like to have a QS, but I'm poor.

Take it with a grain of salt... how long do you plan on having the bike anyhow?
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A clutch in a sportbike will last most people at least 30k miles. How many sportbikes do you know have over 30k miles on them? I would rather take a little more time and lose a little clutch life.
Yes, motorcycle transmissions are able to do both clutchless up and downshifting, but were they designed to do so? No matter how careful you are, clutchless shifting puts more stress and wear on the dogs for your transmission gears than anything else. Once a dog is rounded, chipped, or worn on it's square edge, your bike will start jumping out of gear.
Want to replace your worn dogs? It's not cheap, like you would most likely be better off buying another engine rather than rebuilding your own. $2000? Easily..
It's like people running DOT race tires on the street - Yes they are street legal, but why do you need that?
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Old 09-29-2009, 08:32 PM   #26
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Clutchless up and downshifts 99% of the time.
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Here's a little vid showing a good vs. bad dog engagement.
This vid is actually of an undercut gearset, so it is made to 'push' the gears apart in one (decel) direction, while 'pulling' them together in the opposite (accel) direction.

googleplayerswf?docid 75611953187057122
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A clutch in a sportbike will last most people at least 30k miles. How many sportbikes do you know have over 30k miles on them? I would rather take a little more time and lose a little clutch life.
Yes, motorcycle transmissions are able to do both clutchless up and downshifting, but were they designed to do so? No matter how careful you are, clutchless shifting puts more stress and wear on the dogs for your transmission gears than anything else. Once a dog is rounded, chipped, or worn on it's square edge, your bike will start jumping out of gear.
Want to replace your worn dogs? It's not cheap, like you would most likely be better off buying another engine rather than rebuilding your own. $2000? Easily..
It's like people running DOT race tires on the street - Yes they are street legal, but why do you need that?
aka, the couple hundy for a quickshifter is a smart choice?!!!?

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Here's a little vid showing a good vs. bad dog engagement.
This vid is actually of an undercut gearset, so it is made to 'push' the gears apart in one (decel) direction, while 'pulling' them together in the opposite (accel) direction.

googleplayerswf?docid 75611953187057122
Looks like it would just pop out as soon as you let off the gas.
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Old 09-29-2009, 09:27 PM   #30
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Typically I use the clutch.

Suggest you get proficient at both but for general riding use the clutch its a little easier on the tranny.
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what is a quick shifter in detail?
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what is a quick shifter in detail?
A quick shifter consists of at least two components. The first is a sensor that is triggered when you put pressure on the shifter. The second component responds to the sensor input to cut the ignition on the bike for a short period of time, allowing a smooth shift into the next gear. Ignition cut out times are typically in the range of 50 ms. Using a quick shifter, you can upshift without letting off the throttle.

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Pressure on the shift lever sends a signal to the ECU that momentarily cuts ignition, thus unloading the transmission gear dogs and allowing clutchless, full-throttle up-shifts.

If thats wrong....blame cycle world and the buddy that explained it to me the same way a lil while back

edit---- maxgs beat me to it
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:35 PM   #34
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Looks like it would just pop out as soon as you let off the gas.
Yeah, pretty much. But remember, the video is of a modified transmission for racing. There are other pieces/parts that hold pressure to help keep the gear dogs engaged, but however, if yours get worn like the ones in the video, then you betcha it will overcome the force of the detent spring and shift drum! I've seen it happen on everything from a M109 (pretty common on 2nd gear) to a GZ250 (awesome cycles cruiser bikes). No matter what the bike, it's expensive to fix.
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Old 10-02-2009, 10:00 AM   #36
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learning to power a wheelie up and hold it for 5secs takes all of 5mins to learn

learning to clutch it right and keep it up at a low rpm takes alot of practice

find an empty road and keep clutching it low till u find the right revs and point u feel comfortable clutching it up

the fun thing about power wheelies is its just pure smoothness....comes up slow ez mode

clutching is smooth when u get good at it, when you're learning heh not so much


just watch ppl's hands when they clutch it up, they just pop the clutch

i always use the clutch, in my car on my bike even in automatics my clutch foot comes out.
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Old 10-02-2009, 11:14 AM   #37
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...find an empty road and keep clutching it low till u find the right revs and point u feel comfortable clutching it up...
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Wheelies on a public road are considered "Reckless Endangerment".

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i just can't seem to pull it up that way. I just have never been fond of popping the clutch. Guess I'll learn!

Get a second "disposable" bike that you will not mind to trash/destroy!!! Use that bike for the stunting and keep your regular bike for riding. Fairings and engine covers are expensive.
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Old 10-02-2009, 06:12 PM   #40
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note taken, but I need to learn to get it up!(not the dirty way) I've been told to rev it up and pop the clutch but that just seems a bit scarey. I would like to ease into it but I think I am gonna have to jump into it.
FYI, I've got lots of stock parts for a 06-07, 08-09 R6, just in case you jump in and find out there's rocks in the bottom of the lake. Get some seat time in before you start the crazy .
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