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Old 04-13-2006, 06:24 AM   #41
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So why the does ethanol get your attention... ADD? It will NEVER get us off foreign oil. Add up the subsidies, the tax breaks, the lower energy per volume, the cost to produce through distillation...there is absolutely no net gain here. Same with hydrogen power.

The only thing proven through modern history to end dependance on foreign oil is fischer-tropsch. Germany and Apartheid South Africa used coal to produce gasoline and diesel. We have much more coal reserves than petroleum, this is the only thing that makes sense.
:laughing6 And... Why are you the only one who is harping about Fischer-Tropsch? Do you have a stake in its r&d? Dont understand your negativity man. Cranky sob.
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Proven??? if its such a hot idea, why isnt it in use??Jackass. Add..
2 reasons: because coal has a bad name in this country, and gasoline is traditionally cheaper per BTU produced than anything out there, even now, because it's very easy to produce efficiently. coal gasification is in heavy production in south africa because of their import sanction days, but when we think coal we think belching stacks (old tech power plants) and WV coal mines killing miners...and gasoline has been cheap for so long there has been no need. Once gas prices go up more as supplies get tight, this will become mainstream...you wont notice because the fuel itself wont change, just the source.

blending ethanol at 10% is fine, throw the corn fed some scrap pork, but converting to an ethanol economy that eliminates the use of fossil fuels is not scaleable for the US economy and gets us nowhere. That's not opinion, that's fact.
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never had a prob. w/ det. when commuting during the 4:00 rush hour, and i bet most eng. comps. can compensate for the lower octane by retarding the timing, these aren't carbed bikes. but then again i'm not a "pro: like you guy's..

i haven't seen any E85 in houston, i see it in Kansas when we go back there.
if your friend has a busa and keeps putting that cheap fuel his bike will blow...
true it makes more power but hurts the motor....the busa needs to run above 91oct....i hope he put at least 89oct he may be ok....but hey i am not a pro just leting you know what i was told by a pro that works on them and told me why he had one with 13k on it blowen motor..
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yeah shell now is putting 10% ethanol in there gas too. u cant run 100% in bikes b\c the fuel system can not take it. it will ruin the o rings and the screens. to convert the bike u would have to change all the rubber peaces in the fuel system. if u have carbs u have to change the fuel lines out to a special type of fuel lines. anything above 60% i think u have to change parts out.
hey jt thanks for all the work on the bike.....
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if your friend has a busa and keeps putting that cheap fuel his bike will blow...
true it makes more power but hurts the motor....the busa needs to run above 91oct....i hope he put at least 89oct he may be ok....but hey i am not a pro just leting you know what i was told by a pro that works on them and told me why he had one with 13k on it blowen motor..
he only had about 50k on it last i talked w/ him.........../shrug
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well the problem with running under the octane lvl that is suggested is that it will start making the lower end go out. then the valves get way too hot then can bend. also u can burn a hole threw the piston but hey ur friend can run it if he wants. when he has to have his motor rebuild he might learn his lesson. Suzuki knows what it is doing and doesn't tell u to do thing for no reason.
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I hope this answers all your questions on Ethanol. It can be derived from corn, wheat, potato wastes, cheese whey, rice straw, sawdust, urban wastes, paper mill wastes, yard clippings, molasses, sugar cane,maize, seaweed, surplus food crops, and other cellulose waste. All you need is a still. Henry Ford designed the famed Model T Ford to run on alcohol -- he said it was "the fuel of the future". The oil companies thought otherwise, however -- but the oil crisis of the early 1970s gave ethanol fuel a new lease of life. The US now uses more than 15 billion gallons of cleaner, ethanol-blended petrol a year, totalling 12% of fuel sales in the US. Most of it is a 10% blend, but 85% and even 95% blends are now being tested.

The benefits

Ethanol is a much cleaner fuel than petrol (gasoline):

* It is a renewable fuel made from plants
* It is not a fossil-fuel: manufacturing it and burning it does not increase the greenhouse effect
* It provides high octane at low cost as an alternative to harmful fuel additives
* Ethanol blends can be used in all petrol engines without modifications
* Ethanol is biodegradable without harmful effects on the environment
* It significantly reduces harmful exhaust emissions
* Ethanol's high oxygen content reduces carbon monoxide levels more than any other oxygenate: by 25-30%, according to the US EPA
* Ethanol blends dramatically reduce emissions of hydrocarbons, a major contributor to the depletion of the ozone layer
* High-level ethanol blends reduce nitrogen oxide emissions by up to 20%
* Ethanol can reduce net carbon dioxide emissions by up to 100% on a full life-cycle basis
* High-level ethanol blends can reduce emissions of Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) by 30% or more (VOCs are major sources of ground-level ozone formation)
* As an octane enhancer, ethanol can cut emissions of cancer-causing benzene and butadiene by more than 50%
* Sulphur dioxide and Particulate Matter (PM) emissions are significantly decreased with ethanol.

Ethanol is a very high octane fuel, replacing lead as an octane enhancer in gasoline.

Fuels that burn too quickly make the engine "knock". The higher the octane rating, the slower the fuel burns, and the less likely the engine will knock.

When ethanol is blended with gasoline, the octane rating of the petrol goes up by three full points, without using harmful additives.

Adding ethanol to gasoline "oxygenates" the fuel, adding oxygen to the fuel mixture so that it burns more completely and reduces polluting emissions such as carbon monoxide.

Ethanol and ETBE oxygenator, made from ethanol, are much safer than the toxic and polluting MTBE fossil-fuel-derived oxygenator used by oil companies
*** I found more comments from an E85 supporter. Thought I would add them into the thread****JROCK does not profess to have any knowledge of this subject- therefore flaming him is prohibited.
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Old 04-17-2006, 07:13 PM   #49
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well he has been super sick the past 3 weeks but i will ask if he wants to when he gets better. also i got a riddle for u all but lets see if u can get it right. what is the number 1 greenhouse gas in the air and the number 2?
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The MTBE that they had been putting in the gas was FAR more corrosive than the alchohol/ethanol they are putting in now so you should only have a problem on real old bikes/cars with it eating up gaskets/o-rings.......probably the biggest differance you'll see is gas mileage may go down some. But if they have had gas run through them in the last 15 yrs the ethanol shouldn't be a problem. Most stations will have at least 10% ethanol by the end of the year no matter where you are.
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so will that affect any thing with this new 10% blend. Could this cause any problems in the long run. Im all for it, evan with a bike its so gay to be paying $3 a gallon for gas and on top of that we havent evan hit memorial day when the prices take a huge hike. How much does everyone think we will be paying this summer for gas?
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well he has been super sick the past 3 weeks but i will ask if he wants to when he gets better. also i got a riddle for u all but lets see if u can get it right. what is the number 1 greenhouse gas in the air and the number 2?
the gas that i pass after a big bowl Wolf brand chili:laughing6 :laughing6
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so will that affect any thing with this new 10% blend. Could this cause any problems in the long run. Im all for it, evan with a bike its so gay to be paying $3 a gallon for gas and on top of that we havent evan hit memorial day when the prices take a huge hike. How much does everyone think we will be paying this summer for gas?
some one had a thread about cheap gas station prices---bit what are the prices like now??? in general?????
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