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Old 09-14-2009, 11:58 AM   #1
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bt003rs......warmers???

I've been reading different threads from the interwebz saying 003rs still needs warmers.....while others say nope. The Ride Smart is supposed to be for Race/Street, so I couldnt see street riders having warmers for daily rides

Whats the REAL truth.

WHen I get my next bike, I'll be doing 1-2 TD's a month, but putting around town during the week as well.

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its about heat cycles.

When your at the track you want the tire to remain warm the whole day.


Hot cold hot cold causes them to lose grip.
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I don't think they "need" warmers but rather benefit from them unlike other street/track tires.

John will chime in with the facts.
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The official word is .....No.....They do not require warmers.

The BT003RS is not a race tire. It is essentially a race carcass with a more streetable rubber wrapped around it. The biggest thing is running the proper pressures and to maintain those pressures throughout the day. The BT003RS is not really effected as much by heat cycles as you might think. The pours in the rubber that hold the oils are deeper (like most street tires). Having this, allows them to reatin the oils longer thus making them able to endure many heat cycles without significant performance loss.
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You can put a warmer to keep your tires heated so you don't need to do warm up lap.
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The official word is .....No.....They do not require warmers.

The BT003RS is not a race tire. It is essentially a race carcass with a more streetable rubber wrapped around it. The biggest thing is running the proper pressures and to maintain those pressures throughout the day. The BT003RS is not really effected as much by heat cycles as you might think. The pours in the rubber that hold the oils are deeper (like most street tires). Having this, allows them to reatin the oils longer thus making them able to endure many heat cycles without significant performance loss.
so to be on the safe side, I should ride a little slower for the first lap or two and then amp up the pace?
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so to be on the safe side, I should ride a little slower for the first lap or two and then amp up the pace?
this is why you can have a warmer on it, so don't need to do warm up laps.
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Now with that said, you can certainly run warmers, and IMHO you can benifit from running warmers on them.

1) No cold tire wrecks
2) Take advantage of all of your track time (no warm up laps)
3) Setting hot pressures helps improve performance
4) They look cool and the chicks think your fast
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Now with that said, you can certainly run warmers, and IMHO you can benifit from running warmers on them.

1) No cold tire wrecks
2) Take advantage of all of your track time (no warm up laps)
3) Setting hot pressures helps improve performance
4) They look cool and the chicks think your fast


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Now with that said, you can certainly run warmers, and IMHO you can benifit from running warmers on them.

1) No cold tire wrecks
2) Take advantage of all of your track time (no warm up laps)
3) Setting hot pressures helps improve performance
4) They look cool and the chicks think your fast
and THAT my friends is what its all about!! Fast tires and hot chicks!!! Wait, reverse that!!!
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I've had mixed experiences using warmers with the Ride Smart's. (BT-002 Ride Smart)

For the most part, they worked just fine. Lets you go out and drop the hammer earlier.

However, I did have some problems on my last trackday with the Ride Smart's. I was using Suzuka single temp warmers, my first time using warmers all day. Tires felt GREAT in the morning sessions at MSRH, but the afternoon was a different story. It got really hot that afternoon and I had traction problems with the front, especially under braking. I should've had John come take a look, but the tires looked a little greasy. I assume from the heat pulling the oils out. Not sure, but I've heard this could happen when using warmers on street tires. Gave me problems all day that I tried to ride around.

So.......that's my .02

If you're interested in running warmers, I would try it out. But you may want to consult John or someone else about the chances of pulling the oils out and making the tires a little slick. This could be a natural occurrence with any tires. I wouldn’t know.
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I've had mixed experiences using warmers with the Ride Smart's. (BT-002 Ride Smart)

For the most part, they worked just fine. Lets you go out and drop the hammer earlier.

However, I did have some problems on my last trackday with the Ride Smart's. I was using Suzuka single temp warmers, my first time using warmers all day. Tires felt GREAT in the morning sessions at MSRH, but the afternoon was a different story. It got really hot that afternoon and I had traction problems with the front, especially under braking. I should've had John come take a look, but the tires looked a little greasy. I assume from the heat pulling the oils out. Not sure, but I've heard this could happen when using warmers on street tires. Gave me problems all day that I tried to ride around.

So.......that's my .02

If you're interested in running warmers, I would try it out. But you may want to consult John or someone else about the chances of pulling the oils out and making the tires a little slick. This could be a natural occurrence with any tires. I wouldn’t know.

On my track 600rr, it was a necessity to run warmers on my 003's. But I just wanted some feedback on the Ride Smart's
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I ROLL with the 002RS. no need to spend money on warmers...best bang for the buck. warmers are one more thing i don't want to spend $$ on. and plenty sticky icky.
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warmers suck. race rubber sucks. suspension sucks. clutches suck. It ALL sucks!


Just stay slow dude.
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warmers suck. race rubber sucks. suspension sucks. clutches suck. It ALL sucks!


Just stay slow dude.


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On my track 600rr, it was a necessity to run warmers on my 003's. But I just wanted some feedback on the Ride Smart's
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warmers suck. race rubber sucks. suspension sucks. clutches suck. It ALL sucks!


Just stay slow dude.
well...for the time being i'm stuck at :58's at msrh......coupled with the fact that I won't have ridden the track in a few months come february, I'll be plenty slow
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I've had mixed experiences using warmers with the Ride Smart's. (BT-002 Ride Smart)

For the most part, they worked just fine. Lets you go out and drop the hammer earlier.

However, I did have some problems on my last trackday with the Ride Smart's. I was using Suzuka single temp warmers, my first time using warmers all day. Tires felt GREAT in the morning sessions at MSRH, but the afternoon was a different story. It got really hot that afternoon and I had traction problems with the front, especially under braking. I should've had John come take a look, but the tires looked a little greasy. I assume from the heat pulling the oils out. Not sure, but I've heard this could happen when using warmers on street tires. Gave me problems all day that I tried to ride around.

So.......that's my .02

If you're interested in running warmers, I would try it out. But you may want to consult John or someone else about the chances of pulling the oils out and making the tires a little slick. This could be a natural occurrence with any tires. I wouldn’t know.
Could be the reason your tires were experiencing traction problems. The 002's are great until degrees. Consult the expert for that info. But even racers on DOT race tires experience tire issues in the heat. Just part of life! even Rossi, Stoner, Hayden, Spies, etc experience these problems when it gets hot. Of course I am still learning the game so I am only offering up reason for the ryhme!
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