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Old 04-10-2006, 02:12 PM   #21
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You are not guaranteed money back when you pay taxes. In fact a smart man/woman would not over pay on taxes so the money could earn you interest. Yeah, I don't know everything about the system and no one individual usually does. Why, because it is a jacked up piece of system.

I agree with you. The system that we have now needs some changes, hopefully for the better. But I guess no matter who sits in office, the system will be here to stay. Ironic? Maybe.
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Old 04-10-2006, 02:14 PM   #22
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I agree with you. The system that we have now needs some changes, hopefully for the better. But I guess no matter who sits in office, the system will be here to stay. Ironic? Maybe.
I hope not and I imagine there is something better that would help with the immigrant worker situation.
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I hope not and I imagine there is something better that would help with the immigrant worker situation.

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Old 04-10-2006, 02:20 PM   #24
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Oswaldo’s group---Not Oswaldo did the ACCIDENTAL burning as stated.
so me and i couple friends rob a bank... but, since i was in a group, i singly hold no responsibility???? prolly not

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where he paid a forger $100---If no one will sell this nobody will be tempted to buy.
if no one needed it, there would be no market for such items.... (works both ways, this is a lame disputatious statement to say the least)

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fake Green Card and a fake Social Security card. Using these forged documents, Oswaldo found work at a construction site. Oswaldo has now been violating US laws for seven years---So he's paying taxes without any means of getting some back
you only get tax back when you overpay my friend... alot of ppl. owe money at the end of the year too.... (like me!) its not like ppl. pay into it, and come out with a profit at the end of the year.

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Their children get free education at an American public school, and will be eligible for in-state tuition at the University of North Carolina when they grow up.---So you're saying that your kids didn't get free education? I know you're paying taxes but getting some back aswell, what about Oswaldo paying taxes not getting anything back and you'd deny his kids for the same thing your kids got, FREE education.
again, "getting some back" you clearly do not understand how the tax system works, or are having problems comprehending it as a whole.

i dont believe scooter wants to necessarily "deny" them education (which is NOT free by the way), rather they become "legal" U.S. citizens through the necessary grapevine, then they will pay taxes just like EVERY OTHER LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN OF THE U.S.!

some may say its "sooo hard" to become a citizen... that!.... ppl. do it everyday, if they can do it, illegals should be "forced" to do it, or get the out!

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America would provide an automatic path to citizenship to an additional 400,000 low-skilled, poorly-educated workers like Oswaldo every year---And everybody here is EDUCATED?
ohhhh... i c, well if you put it that way.... maybe we should just let them all in i mean, if not everyone in the us is fairly inteligent why does it matter right? LOL :laughing6

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Everybody gets a chance to better not only their lives but also their love ones.They took a chance and risk lives to do it be it they done it the wrong way,if this proposal will really help them then as what you said CALL YOUR SENATORS and voice out your reason why you don't want this. My .2 cents on this topic and yes SOLRACER we have more topics to talk about other than this one.
i believe no one should be denied that chance, but they "must" abide by our rules and regulations... they should be without a doubt "forced" to become u.s. citizens, no matter how "hard" it may be... which prolly isnt compared to the life threatening journey's they must've endured just to get over here, and assimilate themselves.



thats just my thoughts... could be wrong though... im am very open minded though
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born in the phil..........came here when i was 4 through proper channels.

parents pay taxes, we get free education.....blah blah blah....

the problem I have is the "give and take" of the situation.....you must agree that the US govt is giving wayyyy more than it is getting back? we need to find a way to equalize the situation because I agree that if we deport everyone, prices for a whole lotta things we take fore granted will become too expensive.
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so me and i couple friends rob a bank... but, since i was in a group, i singly hold no responsibility???? prolly not



if no one needed it, there would be no market for such items.... (works both ways, this is a lame disputatious statement to say the least


you only get tax back when you overpay my friend... alot of ppl. owe money at the end of the year too.... (like me!) its not like ppl. pay into it, and come out with a profit at the end of the year.



again, "getting some back" you clearly do not understand how the tax system works, or are having problems comprehending it as a whole.

i dont believe scooter wants to necessarily "deny" them education (which is NOT free by the way), rather they become "legal" U.S. citizens through the necessary grapevine, then they will pay taxes just like EVERY OTHER LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN OF THE U.S.!

some may say its "sooo hard" to become a citizen... that!.... ppl. do it everyday, if they can do it, illegals should be "forced" to do it, or get the out!



ohhhh... i c, well if you put it that way.... maybe we should just let them all in i mean, if not everyone in the us is fairly inteligent why does it matter right? LOL :laughing6



i believe no one should be denied that chance, but they "must" abide by our rules and regulations... they should be without a doubt "forced" to become u.s. citizens, no matter how "hard" it may be... which prolly isnt compared to the life threatening journey's they must've endured just to get over here, and assimilate themselves.



thats just my thoughts... could be wrong though... im am very open minded though

if no one needed it, there would be no market for such items.... (works both ways, this is a lame disputatious statement to say the least)--- I saw it on tv once a undercover reporter walking the streets of New York was offered some fake identities. This is why people buy this fake identities because it's in the market.


you only get tax back when you overpay my friend... alot of ppl. owe money at the end of the year too.... (like me!) its not like ppl. pay into it, and come out with a profit at the end of the year.--- Yeah, but If you have the right deductions done to it you'll get some money back, I am not saying you get a profit but some of your hard earned money.


again, "getting some back" you clearly do not understand how the tax system works, or are having problems comprehending it as a whole--- Again, that is why you have deductions. I guess you know what they are.


ohhhh... i c, well if you put it that way.... maybe we should just let them all in i mean, if not everyone in the us is fairly inteligent why does it matter right? LOL :laughing6 ---- This is where you prove your intelligence, write to your elected official TELL THEM what you think needs to be done.


i believe no one should be denied that chance, but they "must" abide by our rules and regulations... they should be without a doubt "forced" to become u.s. citizens, no matter how "hard" it may be... which prolly isnt compared to the life threatening journey's they must've endured just to get over here, and assimilate themselves.---- Hence, the proposal if passed they WILL get a chance to pay taxes, do the right thing.
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as far as i am concerned if you cang get in legaly i dont want you here, you said it yourself, we have plenty of dumb people. we dont need more, let alone people who have to sneak in and dont even take th time to learn our language
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as far as i am concerned if you cang get in legaly i dont want you here, you said it yourself, we have plenty of dumb people. we dont need more, let alone people who have to sneak in and dont even take th time to learn our language

HUH? Quote me on the dumb part please. And you don't want me here? Maybe when you become the president you'll get a CHANCE to get rid of me.
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HUH? Quote me on the dumb part please. And you don't want me here? Maybe when you become the president you'll get a CHANCE to get rid of me.
i said i dont want people here who cant legagly get in thought you wernt illegal?
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i said i dont want people here who cant legagly get in thought you wernt illegal?


Please read the previous conversation on top. And please be clear to what is it you're trying to imply.
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sorry let me try and make sense, the people i dont like are the ones like ths guy who came into my work the other day.

didnt speak english, was trying to buy a cell phone with me wanted cingular, when i asked him for id

he laid out 4 licenses and 4 social security cards and asked me which one he should use for his cell phone.

i dont have anything against people coming into this country, they should just do it the right way and at least try to learn english,
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sorry let me try and make sense, the people i dont like are the ones like ths guy who came into my work the other day.

didnt speak english, was trying to buy a cell phone with me wanted cingular, when i asked him for id

he laid out 4 licenses and 4 social security cards and asked me which one he should use for his cell phone.

i dont have anything against people coming into this country, they should just do it the right way and at least try to learn english,

That is CLEARLY wrong, 4 ss cards and licences. WTF, so if he gets in a car accident you don't know who really hit you.
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That is CLEARLY wrong, 4 ss cards and licences. WTF, so if he gets in a car accident you don't know who really hit you.
exactly, and it dosnt really matter because all of thm are fake
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i dont care about race or why they are here, its just that if they cant legaly get in here, then there is no real records of them, dont have a real license or social security number no way to prove who they really are
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ohhhh... i c, well if you put it that way.... maybe we should just let them all in i mean, if not everyone in the us is fairly inteligent why does it matter right? LOL :laughing6 ----

This is where you prove your intelligence, write to your elected official TELL THEM what you think needs to be done.

writing a letter is asinine... and will accomplish nothing.

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you only get tax back when you overpay my friend... alot of ppl. owe money at the end of the year too.... (like me!) its not like ppl. pay into it, and come out with a profit at the end of the year.--- Yeah, but If you have the right deductions done to it you'll get some money back, I am not saying you get a profit but some of your hard earned money.


again, "getting some back" you clearly do not understand how the tax system works, or are having problems comprehending it as a whole--- Again, that is why you have deductions. I guess you know what they are.
i know what your trying to convey.... but, your wrong! sorry, thats just how it is! lol
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i dont care about race or why they are here, its just that if they cant legaly get in here, then there is no real records of them, dont have a real license or social security number no way to prove who they really are
thats right as long as the cut my grass its cool ...lol j/k
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thats right as long as the cut my grass its cool ...lol j/k
man there is a whole family who cuts th grass for my area, littl ekid must be like 6 or 7 can hardly reach the the handle for lawn mower and is out there pushing one with them
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As Scoot alluded to -- this government is getting played big time and something big and drastic has got to happen. It's gonna happen and not everyone is going to be happy about it so their just going to have to shut up and deal with it.
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I am not implying anything. There are American people serving 20 year sentences for the possesion of a joint. Has nothing to do with the border. That is why I was starting talk on that.
Yes, so true and when they get out who will give them Amnesty. They won't even be able to vote or find decent employment. Amnesty for All
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