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Old 03-30-2012, 08:52 PM   #21
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While I appreciate the sentiment and agree that you need to leave as large a buffer as possible, 12 second following distance is entirely unrealistic in Houston.


Edit to add: Just saw the date. Sorry for the necro bump.
No problem, Noob. It's a good thread and is still a good message.

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Old 04-01-2012, 09:07 AM   #22
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Saying every rider will crash is like saying every police officer will be shot by a bad guy. Its not true. There are many riders who spend a whole lifetime on the street without crashing. We are just helpless out there waiting for someone to hit us.

Good riders tend not to make the news so just because there isn't a story every other day about how someone just hit half a million safe miles accident free doesn't mean they aren't out there.

I ride with guys who have been on the street longer than I have been alive and many have never crashed.

Will every rider crash? NO
Will every gun owner shoot their foot off? No
Will every pilot crash? No
Will every house be broken in to? No.

Riding on the street is a risk and the future of that rider greatly depends on how that person conducts themselves while riding. Most accidents are avoidable and that depends on the operator of the bike.
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Old 04-02-2012, 02:11 AM   #23
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I went for about 7 years without a wreck. Then I had two in about a month and a half (although one was at the track.)

Got the first one on video though!
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:28 AM   #24
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It is all probability. There is always a chance that you'll go down, and so even around the block I wear a helmet.
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I went for about 7 years without a wreck. Then I had two in about a month and a half (although one was at the track.)

Got the first one on video though!
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Much less drastic than my lowside... I took my K3 around a corner on a back country... 1 lane, road.. not a highway and went around a corner... hit some dirt... landed in a newly tilled field.
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Saying every rider will crash is like saying every police officer will be shot by a bad guy. Its not true. There are many riders who spend a whole lifetime on the street without crashing. We are just helpless out there waiting for someone to hit us.

Good riders tend not to make the news so just because there isn't a story every other day about how someone just hit half a million safe miles accident free doesn't mean they aren't out there.

I ride with guys who have been on the street longer than I have been alive and many have never crashed.

Will every rider crash? NO
Will every gun owner shoot their foot off? No
Will every pilot crash? No
Will every house be broken in to? No.

Riding on the street is a risk and the future of that rider greatly depends on how that person conducts themselves while riding. Most accidents are avoidable and that depends on the operator of the bike.
Can you produce statistical data supporting your claim of 'many'? :-)

Comparing riders having accidents to a gun owner shooting themselves, house being broken into or pilot crashing...c'mon. How about a gun owner suffering some sort of injury in a gun related activity, a pilot experiencing a technical/mechanical issue, or a house being broken into, and/or damaged by a storm or outside source. The ratios change don't they...and the longer these exist or take place the odds of it happening increase. That's just reality.

....course I gotta wonder how many of those 'never crashed' don't count 'I had to "lay er down"' as NOT crashing. :-)
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...course I gotta wonder how many of those 'never crashed' don't count 'I had to "lay er down"' as NOT crashing. :-)
I like it; it's analogous to, "it's not , it was only a ."
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Old 04-02-2012, 09:11 AM   #28
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done and done! there definitely was damage, lost a lot of skin on my arms, back, and a bit on my chest... definitely felt like a crash!
^^ this is called being a squid.. and then wonder how idiotic when laying down in pain..
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Old 04-02-2012, 09:13 AM   #29
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Then I had two in about a month and a half (although one was at the track.)
I thought people went to the track to be spared from this ... guess they all got it wrong by this proof..
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Great post, rural roads are dangerous, because of the mis-leading corners and single lanes. I give it to the SMR's, they ride back roads every week, the ones that are experienced, they ride hard, but in a safe manor on their skill level
Even though I don't considered myself experienced, and I talk a lot of about not being a noob, being common sensed and safe have nothing to do with being experienced nor being a noob.. SMR's as myself know the risk they embark to when throwing the leg over the bike to leave home early SM..

Is not just how you ride, but who you ride with.. I'd like to presume your age does have a lot to do with this but somehow it doesn't..
it's all about knowing your limits and knowing your (or being able to see) surroundings, then the rest is always impredictable.. road kill/traffic/"who you ride with"/constructions/ and so on..

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Old 04-03-2012, 01:09 PM   #31
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If you are not crashing, then you are not trying hard enough.

Life happens, you can trace every crash back to a decision. I personally believe the constant bantering about crashes and RIP threads is too negative. Remember the fallen, but focus on their life, not their death. If you think/talk about crashing enough, you are half way down. If you ride worrying about the "inevitable crash" then you are half way down. Focus on honing your skills and forget about crashes. That is why ATGATT!

I am reminded of the former riders who always have the story, "I had to throw it down and jump on top of it to keep from killing myself" Really?
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:31 AM   #32
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Your odds of crashing are proportionate to how, what, and where you ride.

They are also proportionate to your training, experience, common sense, patience, and ego.

Take all those factors, + or -, and you'll come up with your personal "odds of crashing" level.

All those factors also change daily, hourly, by the minute.

Sorry, but odds are if you ride long enough, you WILL fall down. How severe it will be entirely depends on you.
You can't blame the cagers, if you are paying attention there is always an out.

All these guys that "have ridden longer than I am alive"; how and where do they ride? How truthful are they being really?

Once a month to the country bar?
Every single day, 100 miles of Houston traffic?
Weds at PP1?

You plug it in and figure out who the odds are will be on the ground?
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If you are not crashing, then you are not trying hard enough.

i've heard Kenny Roberts never crashed, and rossi doesn't crash ofter..........guess they're not trying hard enough

for a street rider, very bad attitude to have.
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Your odds of crashing are proportionate to how, what, and where you ride.

They are also proportionate to your training, experience, common sense, patience, and ego.

Take all those factors, + or -, and you'll come up with your personal "odds of crashing" level.

All those factors also change daily, hourly, by the minute.

Sorry, but odds are if you ride long enough, you WILL fall down. How severe it will be entirely depends on you.
You can't blame the cagers, if you are paying attention there is always an out.

All these guys that "have ridden longer than I am alive"; how and where do they ride? How truthful are they being really?

Once a month to the country bar?
Every single day, 100 miles of Houston traffic?
Weds at PP1?

You plug it in and figure out who the odds are will be on the ground?


I've been riding for awhile myself, I believe the odds are directly proportional to ego/common sense. The ability to keep some balance between the 2 is critical.............for some folks it is impossible.
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Got the first one on video though!
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I did the exact same thing! Lol just enough damage to me off but I was able to ride away so I couldn't b too mad, big key to me is IF/when u go down... LEARN FROM IT!!!
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i've heard Kenny Roberts never crashed, and rossi doesn't crash ofter..........guess they're not trying hard enough

for a street rider, very bad attitude to have.
what "I" said + ^^^^ what he said...
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what "I" said + ^^^^ what he said...
You're both right about that, I should have prefaced that by saying if you are racing and you have never crashed, you aren't trying hard enough (I find it difficult to express my sarcasm on this interweb thing). If you are truly pushing to find your limits you will find them, sometimes you crash. I ride about 6/10's maximum effort when I ride in the hill country and about 7/10's on track days when I am in the mood. Now get me on a mini? Full effort until I pit, win or crash.

Oh, and I have never taken MSF. They did not have the course when I started riding
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msf will keep you from going down like drivers ed keeps cagers from wrecking...
I am not saying it is inevitable, I am saying if you think about it too much, that will cause you to go down. If you are afraid your survival instinct will put you down...
there is no such thing as a rider who won't go down, but there are ways to ride to make it less likely to go down.
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