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Old 09-03-2009, 08:02 PM   #41
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Upon low side ing, the bike & I were sliding through the intersection with the bike between the car & I. With apparently just enough space between the bike & I, for me to continue sliding past the intersection. I had ridden just over 4800 miles, since april.
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Old 09-03-2009, 08:04 PM   #42
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you guys are tough on this kid. Efvr!! maybe you could have done something different, i dont know, I was not there. My advice is take the MSF class. I went to Awesome Cyles on the North side of Houston I recommend them to everyone, even my buddies in Beaumont. Some of these A-holes are really giving a hard time. Everyday is a learning experience bro.
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I agree that a good 99% of "not my fault" accidents could have been avoided....
I'm not going to say much here because I've lived it. Some accidents are unavoidable.

A friend of mine and I were riding north bound and a truck turned head on into us. He was southbound like every other car we passed that day....all of a sudden NO blinker, nothing....we had enough time to see him cross the line and then it was over. I barely had time to hit my brakes. My friend was hit head on and I went between the truck and the airborne motorcycle after it ricocheted off. We were going the speed limit, had our gear on and there was nothing we could have done (other than not riding that day). The kid driving the truck said he was swatting at a bee and then later said he never saw us....

I will agree that a large majority of them ARE avoidable but there are still some that aren't. I'm only saying it's more than 1%.

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i say it 50-50,it not your fault if you are riding your bike...shhhiiittt happen
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couldn't avoid a wreck on an 800, yep time to move on up to a 1000
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Old 09-04-2009, 05:34 AM   #49
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99% sounds high... until you look at how many motorcycle accidents there are in this country. There are always the 1-2% that were just completely and utterly out of your control.

But I have to say that just about every one that I have seen posted on MH and the other sites I frequent were avoidable, IF the rider had done something different.
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I ride like I'm in a video game where everyone's trying to kill me. Which some days almost feels accurate. If your thought process is several seconds ahead, most of the wrecks are very easily avoidable. I've stopped giving my opinion to folks when I hear about people getting rear ended at stoplights, etc (while sitting smack dab in the middle of the lane daydreaming. ) Motorcycling truly is one of life's pursuits where you have to take responsibility for your safety and place it in your own hands. Trusting that things/conditions around you will always be normal and not being in a constant state of readiness/anticipation can be, and usually is fatal. That's why everyone has a "friend that got rear-ended/etc and it WASN'T even his fault!" (whilst not wearing a helmet too - who's fault was that?) Too bad that's a subject for a different thread. Without fail, everytime I hear one of these types of stories, I think the same thing: could have been prevented. But some people will never learn, the ones who'd rather be reactive and about the outcome, rather than proactive and prevent a situation to begin with.
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"I hear about people getting rear ended at stoplights, etc"

I'm curious... How does one avoid this? and, for the record, I totally agree, just bcuz an accident was not "your" fault, does not mean that something could not have been done to avoid it.
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watch your 6
stay in 1st gear, ready to move left or right
i stay in 1st till at least 1-2 cars are behind me.
stop either in the left or right "track", not directly in the center of the lane
and do the same if there's a car in ft of you. car coming, roll forward next to car.

flash your brake lights. as car approach's

are ALL avoidable, NO, but it's your safety you need to worry about, don't rely on other drivers.
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"I hear about people getting rear ended at stoplights, etc"

I'm curious... How does one avoid this? and, for the record, I totally agree, just bcuz an accident was not "your" fault, does not mean that something could not have been done to avoid it.
1. Start to slow down well before the light.

2. Flash the brake light by braking, releasing, braking, releasing until you're stopped.

3. Stop a good ways from the car in front.

4. Keep the car behind in your mirror.

5. Keep the bike in gear.

6. If the car behind get too close, pull forward.

7. Don't stop in the middle of the lane. Give the car room to miss you on one side or the other.

Guys who get hit from behind wait until they're close to light to stop. Maybe they were thinking of running the light. The car behind is thinking the bike is going to run the light and he is going to do the same thing. Bike stops suddenly. Result is the bike gets rear ended.
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watch your 6

usually do, can't remember if I did this time or not, Hubby said he saw the headlights, but by the time he realized they weren't stopping...It was too late

stay in 1st gear, ready to move left or right

I always stay in 1st

stop either in the left or right "track", not directly in the center of the lane
and do the same if there's a car in ft of you. car coming, roll forward next to car.

I was in the right "track" Hubby in the "left". No cars in front, we were first at the light, lots of cross traffic

flash your brake lights.

I always do that when slowing, AND our bikes have LEDS and strobes

are ALL avoidable, NO, but it's your safety you need to worry about, don't rely on other drivers.
All of that being said, I can tell you that I do things differently as a direct result of this "unavoidable" accident. Altho, there were no cars in front of me at the accident...now when there are, I am very careful of where I stop in the lane, I ALWAYS (not usually, or when I think about it) make sure that I have "an out" just in case I can actually tell how fast that car in my mirror is going. I am even more alert at stoplights (well, actually everywhere). I always considered myself a very alert rider, now I consider myself "hyper"alert. Whether this accident was 100% unavoidable or not, it was a learning experience, and it did change the way I ride.
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"Guys who get hit from behind wait until they're close to light to stop. Maybe they were thinking of running the light. The car behind is thinking the bike is going to run the light and he is going to do the same thing. Bike stops suddenly. Result is the bike gets rear ended."

That makes good sense, but that is not the only way a bike gets rear-ended. Guy who hit me was texting and never actually looked up (his own words).
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All of that being said, I can tell you that I do things differently as a direct result of this "unavoidable" accident. Altho, there were no cars in front of me at the accident...now when there are, I am very careful of where I stop in the lane, I ALWAYS (not usually, or when I think about it) make sure that I have "an out" just in case I can actually tell how fast that car in my mirror is going. I am even more alert at stoplights (well, actually everywhere). I always considered myself a very alert rider, now I consider myself "hyper"alert. Whether this accident was 100% unavoidable or not, it was a learning experience, and it did change the way I ride.
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"Guys who get hit from behind wait until they're close to light to stop. Maybe they were thinking of running the light. The car behind is thinking the bike is going to run the light and he is going to do the same thing. Bike stops suddenly. Result is the bike gets rear ended."

That makes good sense, but that is not the only way a bike gets rear-ended. Guy who hit me was texting and never actually looked up (his own words).
That's the reason for all the other things. Flashing the brake lights to get his attention, looking at him in the mirror so you can see if he's texting or on the phone, giving him room to move at the last instance to miss you on one side or the other. If I see someone texting, not paying attention or closing too fast, I'll move up next to the car in front so he hits that car instead of me.

Remember, every other car out there is trying to kill you.
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That's the reason for all the other things. Flashing the brake lights to get his attention not only do I do this, My bike has strobe lights and LEDs, looking at him in the mirror so you can see if he's texting or on the phone Nice idea, it was 11:30pm, if I was looking (no memory of accident) Only would've seen headlights., giving him room to move at the last instance to miss you on one side or the other my bike was positioned in the far right of lane, just to the left of the line. If I see someone texting, not paying attention or closing too fast, I'll move up next to the car in front so he hits that car instead of me. No car in front of me, only another bike on left side of lane (staggered formation), also lots of cross traffic, (video FTW!)

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yea, I got that

These are all great tips and great ways to try to avoid a collision.
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