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Old 09-03-2009, 01:34 PM   #21
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But you have to PREPARE for that possibility while riding. You have to assume anything & everything is going to happen, no?
i was getting at, if you feel the car is too close behind you.......give yourself more following distance from teh car in ft of you..... the only thing you can control is the space in ft of you. by slowing down and making it obvious your slowing down.
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but if you ride and watch out for those situations, and always assume that someone is going to pull out in front of you, turn in front of you, etc, you begin to prepare to avoid the incident much sooner than if you were to just react to it. on roads with a lot of side streets i'll stay in the left most part of the left most lane. on roads with lots of potential crossings in front of my, i will stay in the middle lane, and any cars i see approaching the turn lanes on my left i will watch and plan accordingly. same goes for any car approaching a driveway/side street on my right. until i am positive they see me and aren't going to run me over, i take precautions to avoid their next move.

i've found that that has always given me plenty of time to avoid a collision.
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so you disagree?

"This is not to say that EVERY bike crash is avoidable but I am going on the record as saying I bet 99% of all bike crashes are avoidable.."
I will disagree with your statement. I think your estimate of 99% of crashes is pretty far off.
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Getting rear ended is the only unavoidable accident ( unless you want to shoot out into an intersection and play frogger)
i wouldn't say unavoidable............there are things you can do to draw attention to yourself at the lights even or protect yourself

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I will disagree with your statement. I think your estimate of 99% of crashes is pretty far off.
i agree 99% is high, but i believe there are alot of accidents that could have been avoided by the motorcyclist.
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i wouldn't say unavoidable............there are things you can do to draw attention to yourself at the lights even or protect yourself



i agree 99% is high, but i believe there are alot of accidents that could have been avoided by the motorcyclist.
I believe a lot of "accidents" could be avoided, not just motorcycles, not even automobile accidents, in just about everything, but human beings can not be 100% on edge with everything and their entire surroundings 24/7/365, just not possible.

But 99% still I would say is way high for the number of avoidable motorcycle crashes.
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"so your a new rider, hadn't taken MSF (that might have taught you some basic evasive techniques or at least proper mindset)"
My evasive technique was the only thing that kept me out of the hospital, or worse.
Details of the accident , guy (from dallas) unfamiliar with the H area with a friend in the car giving directions, enters the turn lane "last minute" basically just as I was entering the intersection and turns. In all honesty I didnt even have time to go for the brake. He admittingly just did not see me, or the red light for that matter. I dont claim to be anything close to a great rider. Im good and confident with my abilities. Im not trying to start one of these epic MH arguments. Just trying to say that under the same circumstances anyone in my positon would agree it was, in all practiclity, un-avoidable. Anyway check from his insurance comes friday, so new bike in the works
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"Cars don't sneak into intersections. If you were riding defensively you would have seen the lack of slowing on their part. I know a squid that had the same thing happen with an 18 wheeler. Talk about not paying attention! If you want to ride a bike & continue living.....don't pay attention to what cars are doing.......predict what they're about to do or not do."

Essentially he did sneak into the intersection because he was slowin and turned last minute( the left arrow was green from my direction as well as my light) and another thing that saved my A** was the fact that I was wearing jacket, gloves boots and jeans so not much squid factor.
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I think I missed an a in practicAlity??
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"so your a new rider, hadn't taken MSF (that might have taught you some basic evasive techniques or at least proper mindset)"
My evasive technique was the only thing that kept me out of the hospital, or worse.
Details of the accident , guy (from dallas) unfamiliar with the H area with a friend in the car giving directions, enters the turn lane "last minute" basically just as I was entering the intersection and turns. In all honesty I didnt even have time to go for the brake. He admittingly just did not see me, or the red light for that matter. I dont claim to be anything close to a great rider. Im good and confident with my abilities. Im not trying to start one of these epic MH arguments. Just trying to say that under the same circumstances anyone in my positon would agree it was, in all practiclity, un-avoidable. Anyway check from his insurance comes friday, so new bike in the works
most riders crash in mos 6-8 of their riding career.......when they get confident but really don't have the skills yet..........sound familiar.........?

nobody was there so who knows, the key is to learn from it, and use better judgement next time, cuz it will happen again.
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"My evasive technique was the only thing that kept me out of the hospital, or worse.
Details of the accident , guy (from dallas) unfamiliar with the H area with a friend in the car giving directions, enters the turn lane "last minute" basically just as I was entering the intersection and turns. In all honesty I didnt even have time to go for the brake. He admittingly just did not see me, or the red light for that matter. I dont claim to be anything close to a great rider. Im good and confident with my abilities. Im not trying to start one of these epic MH arguments. Just trying to say that under the same circumstances anyone in my positon would agree it was, in all practiclity, un-avoidable. Anyway check from his insurance comes friday, so new bike in the works"

If I recall... you swerved 3 lanes and jumped off the bike, but didn't have time to break?
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If I recall... you swerved 3 lanes and jumped off the bike, but didn't have time to break?
from only 40mph.........

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Swerved from far lef to far right (so two lanes) and not jumped off. Laid it down basically a low side due to extreme lean angle. All in one motion so no no time for brakes. I will learn from it, just one of the arguable accidents relevant to this thread. Skill? Again I have no claim to fame as far as skill but as stated in my first post my only move would have been to drastically cut my speed in anticipation that he would turn, when at that point he was not in the turn lane?? That leads back to the drastically slowing at a green light. Regardless of opinions, LUCKY is the best description for the outcome of this one. Cheers to a possible CBR1000RR from this roll of the dice
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so how many miles had you ridden before you crashed?

no, brakes = right
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but if you ride and watch out for those situations, and always assume that someone is going to pull out in front of you, turn in front of you, etc, you begin to prepare to avoid the incident much sooner than if you were to just react to it. on roads with a lot of side streets i'll stay in the left most part of the left most lane. on roads with lots of potential crossings in front of my, i will stay in the middle lane, and any cars i see approaching the turn lanes on my left i will watch and plan accordingly. same goes for any car approaching a driveway/side street on my right. until i am positive they see me and aren't going to run me over, i take precautions to avoid their next move.

i've found that that has always given me plenty of time to avoid a collision.
... And thus why I like riding alone.

The one thing I hate about riding with guys I'm not familiar with, is when I am being cautious as you describe, but they may not be... whether it may be due to ignorance or stupidity..., and so then they may want to take the lead themselves, and ride their ride to lead the group to our destination (I'm referring more to city riding through streets like Westheimer/Richmond/Kirby/etc...). All that does (in my frame of thinking) is add more issues for me to deal with, including looking even further ahead than the lead rider, or anticipating potential hazards along the line of riders ahead of me, while still considering potential hazards to me alone.

However, if I, on my own accord, ride less cautious, or am less vigilant on any given ride, then that's my own decision and risk to do so, but I hate being with other riders who do not understand, or are not as seemingly cautious, as I believe I am, as I follow their lead. I have to know them and trust them to feel more comfortable in that regard, and even then it still adds that extra awareness I mentioned above. Does that make sense?
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"Cars don't sneak into intersections. If you were riding defensively you would have seen the lack of slowing on their part. I know a squid that had the same thing happen with an 18 wheeler. Talk about not paying attention! If you want to ride a bike & continue living.....don't pay attention to what cars are doing.......predict what they're about to do or not do."

Essentially he did sneak into the intersection because he was slowin and turned last minute( the left arrow was green from my direction as well as my light) and another thing that saved my A** was the fact that I was wearing jacket, gloves boots and jeans so not much squid factor.
I wouldn't be maintaining 40mph if I saw that happening ahead of me. I would've slowed down a bit, or switching my lane over, or something... as soon as I saw that car doing that. Even then... happens.
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Accidents happen. Human variable is too hard to predict. Being prepared ups your statistics, but not 99%.

I do get tired of the blame game on accidents though.
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Swerved from far lef to far right (so two lanes) and not jumped off. Laid it down basically a low side due to extreme lean angle. All in one motion so no no time for brakes. I will learn from it, just one of the arguable accidents relevant to this thread. Skill? Again I have no claim to fame as far as skill but as stated in my first post my only move would have been to drastically cut my speed in anticipation that he would turn, when at that point he was not in the turn lane?? That leads back to the drastically slowing at a green light. Regardless of opinions, LUCKY is the best description for the outcome of this one.
I've wonder about the fact that you missed the car, but the car got the bike.
Means you had to go behind the car, over it or 'stopped' before it. If your body could stop before hitting the car, then the bike should have been able to.
If your body went behind the car, the bike should have been capable also. If you'd slowed, you'd had more time to react and respond.
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From looking at the video of our wreck, I can't think of anything that could've been done to avoid it . I don't know how we could make ourselves MORE visible. Of course, I have no actual memory of the wreck, but have spent a considerable amount of time viewing the video and talking to witnesses, and Lee.
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