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Old 09-03-2009, 10:18 AM   #1
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Have had this conversation with many a rider over the years and I am a believer myself..

Just because the crash you were in was NOT your fault, does not mean you could not have avoided it..

Situational awareness in this sport is tantamount to living a long productive life.. "It was not my fault" equals squat when tucked under a car..

Driving a car or truck insulates us from the daily hazards we face on a motorcycle and often we ignore much of what is going on around us..

This is not to say that EVERY bike crash is avoidable but I am going on the record as saying I bet 99% of all bike crashes are avoidable..

The guy rear ended me, he ran a light, he changed lanes into me... are all common "Not my fault" things but with a good dose of "what is going on around me" awareness, many if not most could be avoided..

I have talked with a lot of bike crash guys and almost without fail there was an "out" if they had been a few seconds further into the thought process..

"Yea passing that guy right there was risky but I did not think the other guy was going to pull out" Well, that moment of indiscretion ends up being a life changing event..

Take a second and keep in mind, that even if it was his fault? who really pays the price... (and I am tired of funerals)
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:33 AM   #2
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Yes, there are plenty of incidences of "not my fault" wrecks that probably could have been avoided with better situational awareness. There are also plenty of wrecks that you're just not going to be able to avoid.
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There are also plenty of wrecks that you're just not going to be able to avoid.
so you disagree?

"This is not to say that EVERY bike crash is avoidable but I am going on the record as saying I bet 99% of all bike crashes are avoidable.."
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so you disagree?

"This is not to say that EVERY bike crash is avoidable but I am going on the record as saying I bet 99% of all bike crashes are avoidable.."

I think your stat is probably high, but yes, I'd agree that most bike wrecks are avoidable. I'd also say that a lot of them are the result of people pulling into the path of an oncoming biker - either from a side street or an oncoming turning lane. Yes, you MAY be able to foresee some of those, but when you only have a split second to react, no I don't believe those are overwhelmingly avoidable.
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I think your stat is probably high, but yes, I'd agree that most bike wrecks are avoidable. I'd also say that a lot of them are the result of people pulling into the path of an oncoming biker - either from a side street or an oncoming turning lane. Yes, you MAY be able to foresee some of those, but when you only have a split second to react, no I don't believe those are overwhelmingly avoidable.
but if you ride and watch out for those situations, and always assume that someone is going to pull out in front of you, turn in front of you, etc, you begin to prepare to avoid the incident much sooner than if you were to just react to it. on roads with a lot of side streets i'll stay in the left most part of the left most lane. on roads with lots of potential crossings in front of my, i will stay in the middle lane, and any cars i see approaching the turn lanes on my left i will watch and plan accordingly. same goes for any car approaching a driveway/side street on my right. until i am positive they see me and aren't going to run me over, i take precautions to avoid their next move.

i've found that that has always given me plenty of time to avoid a collision.
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:10 PM   #9
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but if you ride and watch out for those situations, and always assume that someone is going to pull out in front of you, turn in front of you, etc, you begin to prepare to avoid the incident much sooner than if you were to just react to it. on roads with a lot of side streets i'll stay in the left most part of the left most lane. on roads with lots of potential crossings in front of my, i will stay in the middle lane, and any cars i see approaching the turn lanes on my left i will watch and plan accordingly. same goes for any car approaching a driveway/side street on my right. until i am positive they see me and aren't going to run me over, i take precautions to avoid their next move.

i've found that that has always given me plenty of time to avoid a collision.
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pay attention and dont be stupid?
That'd be too easy.
Too many people nowadays are looking for someone else to blame, anyone except themselves....
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I'll agree with ya Racer & Patrick... and it's where speeding often becomes the problem.


If you're doin over listed speeds (and the more so) the weaker the excuse is that someone pulled out in front of you.
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I assume every other vehicle on the road is trying to kill me. I believe that I will always control the situation. If I thought I needed to depend on others for my safety, I'd never get on a bike. I also believe that I will react quickly and correctly in all situations. That action is generally slowing and changing lanes.

The track is a different matter. Not only do I have to rely on others for my safety but I know I will make mistakes and push too hard. Going down is inevitable, but taking someone down with me is not.
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Speed limit was 35, yes I feel like it was likely I would have been rear ended being as the car had a hard time stopping to avoid me at least 60 feet past the intersection. I was travelin in the far left lane & ended up in the far right lane (of 3). Next time I think I would do the same thing. By the way I need to take msf for the no M endorsement ticket I got that day. Where should I go Racer?
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By the way I need to take msf for the no M endorsement ticket I got that day. Where should I go Racer?
oh lord....why would you set yourself up for this?
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Speed limit was 35, yes I feel like it was likely I would have been rear ended being as the car had a hard time stopping to avoid me at least 60 feet past the intersection. I was travelin in the far left lane & ended up in the far right lane (of 3). Next time I think I would do the same thing. By the way I need to take msf for the no M endorsement ticket I got that day. Where should I go Racer?
so your a new rider, hadn't taken MSF (that might have taught you some basic evasive techniques or at least proper mindset), on a big cc bike, speeding........and yet, " I feel that it was practically un-avoidable. "

i would disagree w/ you.......a lil

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not knowing exactly what part of SW you're in

motorcycle training center in Rosenberg would be the closest, i think
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I agree that a good 99% of "not my fault" accidents could have been avoided....
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I dont think they all aviodable but i saw one happen when i lived in baytown and if he would of used his braking ability properly instead of locking up the rear an just grabbing the front with all he had, he could of stopped. The car started to pull out from an apartment complex and stoped and he just panicked.
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