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Old 09-03-2009, 08:58 AM   #61
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yeah all i see is him trying evade the head on collision . . . but again we have no idea what he did before the video starts but judging based on just what you can see in the video a head on collision was probably not appropriate because i dont see anyones life being in danger when the cop pulled in front of him. theres nobody on the sidewalks, nobody in front of him on the road, not weaving in and out of traffic. i see no justification other than trumped up road rage without knowing why they were chasing him to begin with
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Yes, I will retract my "looks like attempted murder" comment as the officers were acting within the law. I just dont think they had to go that far, just my $.02
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at a minute and 19 seconds, I hardly believe that's the whole video, particularly since it's only 8 seconds into it before the impact.


The rider decided to put other people at risk, thus providing the officer(s) justification in using physical force to ending the chase. The manner, used also reduced the collateral damage, by absorbing the impact on his car and thus reducing potential energy/velocity of the object. Might suck for the rider, but served to reduce potential damage/injury to innocents in the area.
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at a minute and 19 seconds, I hardly believe that's the whole video, particularly since it's only 8 seconds into it before the impact.


The rider decided to put other people at risk, thus providing the officer(s) justification in using physical force to ending the chase. The manner, used also reduced the collateral damage, by absorbing the impact on his car and thus reducing potential energy/velocity of the object. Might suck for the rider, but served to reduce potential damage/injury to innocents in the area.
Whether the cop meant to or not, it was a good thing that the bike caught bumper and not push-bars.
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yeah all i see is him trying evade the head on collision . . . but again we have no idea what he did before the video starts but judging based on just what you can see in the video a head on collision was probably not appropriate because i dont see anyones life being in danger when the cop pulled in front of him. theres nobody on the sidewalks, nobody in front of him on the road, not weaving in and out of traffic. i see no justification other than trumped up road rage without knowing why they were chasing him to begin with
Buy some glasses... there's a car that pulls into the lot/drive way just prior to the impact and there's another, traveling the same direction further ahead.
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ok lets look at the inherent danger part. would you justify the same police action for someone texting and driving? its inherently dangerous and puts public health and safety at risk.

danger to people around them - again in the video there was nobody around him

may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others dont see that anywhere in the video
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yeah all i see is him trying evade the head on collision . . . but again we have no idea what he did before the video starts but judging based on just what you can see in the video a head on collision was probably not appropriate because i dont see anyones life being in danger when the cop pulled in front of him. theres nobody on the sidewalks, nobody in front of him on the road, not weaving in and out of traffic. i see no justification other than trumped up road rage without knowing why they were chasing him to begin with
it had obviously gone on for long enough that they had time to call in another patrol car. If you don't pull over or at least signal aknowledgement that you are going to pull over when it's safe to do so, within about 5 - 10 seconds of the lights coming on, then you are attempting to evade, which is a felony. Deadly force is justified
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ok lets look at the inherent danger part. would you justify the same police action for someone texting and driving? its inherently dangerous and puts public health and safety at risk.

danger to people around them - again in the video there was nobody around him

may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others dont see that anywhere in the video
Even though I think the cops went too far, I have gotta agree with Fuller that the cops were within their rights to use force, even deadly force. I just dispute the degree of force they chose to employ.
It is easily defendable that the motorcyclist, in the act of running from the cops, was putting lives at danger.
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legally permissable or justified. two different things imo
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ok lets look at the inherent danger part. would you justify the same police action for someone texting and driving? its inherently dangerous and puts public health and safety at risk.

danger to people around them - again in the video there was nobody around him

may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others dont see that anywhere in the video

no i would not. 1st, attempting to evade is a felony, texting and driving is not. 2nd, how many times do people text and drive with no accidents? I bet i have sent 500 without accident. how many times do people try to run from the cops and get in an accident? how many of those accident involve other innocent people. odds are high that if someone is running that they will crash. lets just hope that nobody else is involved. the police took it upon themselves to make sure that nobody else was involved
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we all agreed he should have pulled over. the point was that they didnt need to smack into him head on like that.
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we all agreed he should have pulled over. the point was that they didnt need to smack into him head on like that.
The bike smacked into the cop car.... cop just used his is car as a mobile road block. If the cop was trying to run the bike/rider over, there'd be a bigger mess.
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i have seen a lot of accidents caused by cell phone use. rear end collisions at stop lights etc. im sure there is at least one every week on fm 1960
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"The bike smacked into the cop car.... cop just used his is car as a mobile road block. If the cop was trying to run the bike/rider over, there'd be a bigger mess."

police car was still moving forward
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bottom line. stay away from south carolina even if you dont run from the police
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real bottom line, don't act a fool and pull over.
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