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Old 08-31-2009, 07:59 AM   #1
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Track Day Pace versus Race Pace

I am discovering that my race pace is only maybe 1.5 seconds faster than my track day pace, depending on the track.

For example, at Cresson I only run 1 second faster...at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...2.5 seconds. But I hear of people WAY off the race pace at Track Days, like 5 seconds.

What's up with that?

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The reason is. Why push yourself that hard on a trackday and risk ****ing up your bike before the next race. So generaly peope back off a little and don't push the limits
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Some people just go out to learn the track alittle more. Or work out bugs.


But, compaired to other people, How fast are you compaired to the others in your class?
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The reason is. Why push yourself that hard on a trackday and risk ****ing up your bike before the next race. So generaly peope back off a little and don't push the limits
Wouldnt you feel more comfortable if you, hypothetically speaking, knocked off consistent..say...52's at TWS (Texas World Speedway)..then only had to run a 50 to win? Wouldn't you feel more in control?

It just seems liek 5 or 6 seconds is HUGE.
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It really depend on what your doing. If the bike is working perfect, then why push even close to race pace. If your trying to develope the bike setup, then you have to be at or close to the race pace. Otherwords the bike will not be working the same. You can't set the bike up running 2:00 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and then try and race on it at 1:55 or faster. It might work, but your going to find problems during the race. Why not get the bike working at 1:56-1:57 pace. The faster you go, the faster the bike has to be setup to go.
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Sometimes racers are left with a worn out tire during trackdays. Still good enough to work the bugs out of the rider but not good enough throw down any fast laps.
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Sometimes racers are left with a worn out tire during trackdays. Still good enough to work the bugs out of the rider but not good enough throw down any fast laps.
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ding ding ding.. i wish i could afford new tires for practice
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I am always slow :-) I think tyres are big part of it for sure. You have to remember that Track Days are not meant to be race practice (ask Mr Steve). I think a lot of people use them for seat time, I personally try to work out the kinks in my riding and don't push 100%. I think I have only pushed 100% in maybe one Track Day and I only did it in a certain corner I had been working on all day, but that is just me.... That being said I still look at the lap timer to see if I am improving over time... and I compare that to race results
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Tires are an issue for sure.

Some track days are race practice for me..not all..but certainly the friday of and weekend before.
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Tires are an issue for sure.

Some track days are race practice for me..not all..but certainly the friday of and weekend before.
That is different though, you actually have to hold a race license to participate. But I totally agree!
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Brandt, I have to agree with the majority here. I am still learning the tracks during the race and don't have the money to spend doing a ton of trackdays (we r not all blessed to be in your position) but even while doing a trackday I am working on 1 or 2 corners really hard and being smooth the rest of the way. You have prolly done more trackdays this summer than I have ever. Wish I could be like you!
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Ill easily go 5 seconds faster in a race than at a track day. My suspension never gets touched at track days only on race weekends when im going faster and need it set up for that. During practice ill work on only a few places at a time instead of trying to throw it all together.
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That is different though, you actually have to hold a race license to participate. But I totally agree!
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Ill easily go 5 seconds faster in a race than at a track day. My suspension never gets touched at track days only on race weekends when im going faster and need it set up for that. During practice ill work on only a few places at a time instead of trying to throw it all together.
I see. It just seems strange that someone could put down a 17, at Cresson, but never run faster than 22's on a track day, for whatever reason.

I have always used my lap times, at track days as a general idea as to where I could run in races. If I was running 5 seconds slower, at track days, than what I run now, I'd be discouraged.

But I guess once you guys KNOW what you can run in a race, track day times become less important to ya.
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But I guess once you guys KNOW what you can run in a race, track day times become less important to ya.
All I know is that I am slooooooow..... I think you are on the right track, everybody does what you are talking about (me included). You try to judge what you do on a track day to what others do in a race to see how you stack up. I do it, I think everyone that races does that to some extent. What else would you use to figure out if your improving overall, well other than race day I think anytime you can get seat time on a race track is good!
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My trackday pace is my race pace anything else is a waste of time. Period.
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When I did more trackdays, I used to run 2-3 seconds off my race pace. I've come to the conclusion that where I am now it's not even really worth doing trackdays for many reasons, and I'm currently running as fast if not faster laps in open practice days at either MSRH or the Hill then I've ever done there period. My lap times varied about 2 seconds and I very rarely went over a 40.0 in any session at MSRH my last time out. Tires, and open track are my opinions. If your not going as fast as you can possibly go, why ride? Your just wearing out your equipment and tires... nor will you have as good of an idea of the direction you need to go with suspension when it comes time to throw down faster laps, or you may run into a problem when you get there. If you get comfortable running as fast as you can possibly go all the time, the little bit extra you need in a race isn't such a far grasp. You gotta make every lap count.
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i'm about 3-4 seconds off pace during trackdays. because usually i have really crappy tires on, no motivation to go faster, and don't wanna crash for no reason.

i found that during a normal trackday (not pre-race weekend), that eventually when you are about to get your new best lap time.....someone will be there to block you and if you take that nasty pass, someone will complain.

during a race, the faster you get up front, the more open space you have ahead to get those lap times you desired, along with the motivation of someone's front wheel constantly coming up right next to your leg. lappers suck also, but you can pass them however you'd like...because it's a race and not a trackday.
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There used to be no such thing as track days back when I started racing. The exception was the Suzuki Team Hammer School that Ulrich used to run about once a year at TWS (Texas World Speedway). As track days started coming around, I was significantly slower due to the fact there was no point in risking anything. If anything I would try weird lines where it may become necessary to make a pass during race day. After 'retiring' from racing, I used to teach at LSTD for a while with a streetbike and when riding in the A and B groups I'd pick it up a little, but it wasn't worth trying to ride hard enough to mess up my street ride.
Even if you turn slower lap times, track days are good for practicing one or two corners at a time to try different things and are excellent when it rains to get that experience.
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Its interesting that some of you don't think practicing and getting coaching is necessary. People like Tiger Woods, Jeff Bagwell, Kobe Bryant and Bill Belicheck would strongly disagree. Until you can beat Rossi you need to practice.

Track days are times to work on your weak areas. Figure out what you are doing wrong, spend the first few sessions working on it at three quarter speed and then increase the pace in the last sessions.
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