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Old 08-31-2009, 07:48 AM   #21
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ok so seeing how "bad" the MSF grad was, you think a rider w/ the same experience that taught himself and takes the DPS test would be a better rider?


think you'd learn something at MSF class?
Absolutley I think something can be learned at the class. And I am sure that I could learn something too.

But no matter what is taught, I'm still not using my rear brake. Not yet.
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Absolutley I think something can be learned at the class. And I am sure that I could learn something too.

But no matter what is taught, I'm still not using my rear brake. Not yet.
thats a good attitude to have, cuz i've had a few come to class that already knew it all. , then other riders w/ centuries of experience come to class w/ your attitude, guess who learned something and guess who didn't ?


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ok so seeing how "bad" the MSF grad was, you think a rider w/ the same experience that taught himself and takes the DPS test would be a better rider?
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thats a good attitude to have, cuz i've had a few come to class that already knew it all. , then other riders w/ centuries of experience come to class w/ your attitude, guess who learned something and guess who didn't ?


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No...I dont think the rider that taught himself would be a better rider. only if he/she had years of experience but never took MSF versus a total noob with only MSF, he'd be better.

I guess I dont liek that someone within the MSF org has teh state convinced that if you take MSF you are a good enough rider that you should be exempt from the riding portion of the test.

Unless I am missing something.
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No...I dont think the rider that taught himself would be a better rider. only if he/she had years of experience but never took MSF versus a total noob with only MSF, he'd be better.

I guess I dont liek that someone within the MSF org has teh state convinced that if you take MSF you are a good enough rider that you should be exempt from the riding portion of the test.

Unless I am missing something.
you are correct, IMO MSF riding test is harder then the DPS so. so hopefully the MSF grad wiil have more skills then joe blow self taught who takes DPS test. and NO the test are not the same.

you do realize all it takes to get an M endorsement is to pass the written and riding DPS test, no experience necessary.
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No...I dont think the rider that taught himself would be a better rider. only if he/she had years of experience but never took MSF versus a total noob with only MSF, he'd be better.

I guess I dont liek that someone within the MSF org has teh state convinced that if you take MSF you are a good enough rider that you should be exempt from the riding portion of the test.

Unless I am missing something.
To pass the MSF you actually have to demonstrate on the bike the same proficiencies you do if you went to DPS. The only exception is that you are in a closed course not on the road and that MSF has more life saving techniques to test. Personally, I would rather DPS be patrolling the streets than breast feeding newbs. ...and yes, I have seen plenty of folks not pass. The instructors take ver seriously what they do.
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Since it seems that many either have taken the MSF and were exempt or never took MSF so have no clue what their test is like or are just riding dirty, this might help.

I got my license in the US the day I got the bike, went to DPS and all it took was a ride around the block, literally, in which they follow you and use the signals on the car to tell you which way you should turn. I was riding so slow just cuz they cant complain about that, that I couldíve very well just walked with my bike. So 6 turns and one stop sign later (provided you put both feet down at the stops) I was back at DPS with a license.

About two years after that a buddy called and wanted to take the MSF so I joined him for of it. It was good instruction and we played around with the bikes, had a good time, and learned a lot.

Yes there is a lot of stuff that you donít think about anymore when you been riding since your 8. And it was good to remember that, and the concepts/ thoughts that go along with the things that we do as second nature. Going slow is the challenge and itíll make you better at going fast.

Course is two days with half time of class time which you would be surprised how many people had blank stares to all the stuff they didnt know and practice on the bikes.
Test consisted of controlled emergency maneuvers, turns, and other stuff which has to be both precise within a marked path, and within a set time/distance.

My buddy who had been riding for a couple of years and could beat my on couldnít do a figure 8 within the limits to save his .

if anything it was worth it just to deal with Challen and his team. It was a learning experience of its own just talking to them over BS and our different bikes outside of the class time.

Now you want to compare the 10 mins it took me to take the road test at the DPS to the class and really think that MSF is not harder than DPS

Under the same experience riders ill take the one with the MSF over the other one to ride with. Now for those that have extensive experience and the DPS test shouldve been a breeze, and yes probably the MSF guy with no experience could perform better if you both try the figure 8ís, maybe even on the lowspeed maneuvers, and the MSF instructors made sure to let you know that just cuz you passed it didnt mean you were ready to go hit the highways and do all you wanted.
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I took MSF I learned alot, but i was not ready for the streets. Taking the class is one thing, but the streets is a whole different thing
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$165+ mostly around $180

$300 for Harleys Riders Edge, same material & riding, HD pricing.
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is it two days 8 hours each? guess im going to look one up also
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varies, there are 2 day programs & 3 days
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have you taken MSF? do you think the MSF riding test is easier or harder then the DPS riding test?
i wish the MSF test wouldve been as easy as the DPS test i saw....turn your blinker on and make a left turn.....stop at a stop sign make a right turn...ok test over you pass. you can stop and use your blinker good job.

I do think MSF is good for riders and i think its a better riding test than what the officer gives and more in depth.
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i wish the MSF test wouldve been as easy as the DPS test i saw....turn your blinker on and make a left turn.....stop at a stop sign make a right turn...ok test over you pass. you can stop and use your blinker good job.

I do think MSF is good for riders and i think its a better riding test than what the officer gives and more in depth.
that was my point to cdill
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