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Old 08-28-2009, 08:39 AM   #41
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Some of you guys are wrong, wrong.
The speed limiter on a zx-14 is controlled by the speedometer sensor, it is not like the Hayabusa that does it by gear and rpm. The TRE for a zx-14 opens the secondary throttlebodie's butterflies. The zx-14 keeps the sec. flies closed until a certain rpm to torque. They stay open completely in 5th & 6th gear. The TRE tells the ecu it is in 5th gear all the time. The TRE has no affect on the speedlimiter.
I have a Speedohealer for the limiter and have removed the secondary flies on my 07.

See, here is someone who knows WTF they are talking about. OP better follow this guy's advice....
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But when it comes to flat out speed; no match for 14.
I think history and records show the BUSA has had that covered since 1999...
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take it to the shop or there is some good how to's on line and take the flys out it wakes it up... Why did you go with the muzzy and not the brocks? What year is your 14? My 14 never shut off I buried the needle and the RPM'S still where climing...
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I think history and records show the BUSA has had that covered since 1999...
your right untill 2006 when the zx-14 came around and shut the busa down..

pro rider busa 9.85
same pro rider ZX-14 9.65

it all really comes down to the rider...
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your right untill 2006 when the zx-14 came around and shut the busa down..

pro rider busa 9.85
same pro rider ZX-14 9.65

it all really comes down to the rider...


Where are you getting these times...? Let me guess quoting magazine bench racing....

Even then, after 7-years the 14 can't compete. Don't get me wrong the 14 runs good but mod for mod they are still behind.

Look at ANY of the racing association records, BUSA has been king since 99 and is STILL KING...
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I just got the speedohealer. Installation was a sinch. I took my gps and headed out for 288 to hit some backroads in angelton this weekend to match the speedometer with gps .

These were my reading before Speedohealer installation.

Speedometer/GPS=

1.) 40/35
2.) 60/52
3.) 80/ 70
4.) 100/88
5.) 150/138

After I installed Speedohealer.


1.) 40/40
2.) 100/99
3.) 150/148
4.) ???/187 I could only look at one so sorry.
GPS has 187 recorded highest speed.
I had more in the motor but ran out of road quick.

It was just me and crazy @$$ adrain on his zx10. So I guess Im now satisfied. If you have a 2006/2007 zx14 speedohealer is definitly the way to go.

This performed on 2006 ZX14
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This bike is a lot of fun, not as fun as the zx10 but definitly more comfortable and more stable at high speed.
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Where are you getting these times...? Let me guess quoting magazine bench racing....

Even then, after 7-years the 14 can't compete. Don't get me wrong the 14 runs good but mod for mod they are still behind.

Look at ANY of the racing association records, BUSA has been king since 99 and is STILL KING...
You might wanna go check some AMA dragracing to see classes where the 14 is in fact the winning bike at all those races. The busa has had 10 years to get records.
Mod for mod the 14 is not at all behind a Busa on stock engines. I know this as fact as I race them every Saturday. There has never been a 99-07 Busa EVER beat my 14 mod for mod and I have raced a lot of them. It is not just rider, the mph numbers never lie. The 08 Busa is a dead nuts match and it always comes down to the better rider. I dont know where you learned math but 2006-2009 doesnt add up to 7 years. If the 14 had 10 years of aftermarket performance support like the Busa has then there would be a change in your record books probably.
Land speed goes to the Busa hands down...for now.

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I just got the speedohealer. Installation was a sinch. I took my gps and headed out for 288 to hit some backroads in angelton this weekend to match the speedometer with gps .

These were my reading before Speedohealer installation.

Speedometer/GPS=

1.) 40/35
2.) 60/52
3.) 80/ 70
4.) 100/88
5.) 150/138

After I installed Speedohealer.


1.) 40/40
2.) 100/99
3.) 150/148
4.) ???/187 I could only look at one so sorry.
GPS has 187 recorded highest speed.
I had more in the motor but ran out of road quick.

It was just me and crazy @$$ adrain on his zx10. So I guess Im now satisfied. If you have a 2006/2007 zx14 speedohealer is definitly the way to go.

This performed on 2006 ZX14
Stock motor
aftermarket air filter
lowered
dyno tuned with
PCIII custom map
Muzzy full exhaust
TRE
Speedohealer
-1/+1 sprocket
M3 tires 120/190
Front end strapped tight.

This bike is a lot of fun, not as fun as the zx10 but definitly more comfortable and more stable at high speed.
What % did you program into the healer?
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What % did you program into the healer?
I set it to -8.7 calculating at 150 mph because I don't travel 60mph usually. Id rather set it to the highest speed possible because it is more important to have a correct value at high speeds so you know your limit. That is if you have limits. just my 2 centavos
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I set it to -8.7 calculating at 150 mph because I don't travel 60mph usually. Id rather set it to the highest speed possible because it is more important to have a correct value at high speeds so you know your limit. That is if you have limits. just my 2 centavos
I have the same gearing as you and put -12.9 in the healer.
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You might wanna go check some AMA dragracing to see classes where the 14 is in fact the winning bike at all those races. The busa has had 10 years to get records.
Mod for mod the 14 is not at all behind a Busa on stock engines. I know this as fact as I race them every Saturday. There has never been a 99-07 Busa EVER beat my 14 mod for mod and I have raced a lot of them. It is not just rider, the mph numbers never lie. The 08 Busa is a dead nuts match and it always comes down to the better rider. I dont know where you learned math but 2006-2009 doesnt add up to 7 years. If the 14 had 10 years of aftermarket performance support like the Busa has then there would be a change in your record books probably.
Land speed goes to the Busa hands down...for now.
I was just poking a little fun but we can continue with facts....

So you've got a couple classes that the 14 is just now competing in. Congrats! It only took them a few years to compete since the rule changes. Before the rule change, they were where? Everyone was crying because the BUSA was dominating EVERYTHING!

Now you want to claim they had 10-years to beat the 14....bla....bla....blah. Last time I checked the ZX12 was suppose to be the BUSA killer from Kawi and where was it?

I'm not even going to argue with you about mod-for-mod, that has been proven over and over again. The bikes are close but the 14 is still behind, not to mention a to work on.

So since you have never been beat by one, I guess that means BUSA's are all slow. Maybe you are just riding a unicorn....

7-years = 1999-2005 but wait let me guess that doesn't count because the ZX12 was a flop... If you want to talk LSR, the BUSA has owned all since day 1 and continues to own all (1999-2009)!

Now it's the aftermarket supports fault that the 14 is behind... j/k You left yourself open for that but it's all good, I love the excuses. Just poking a little fun at the Kawi crowd...

Come on out to the Texas Mile and we'll see how fast your bike really is...
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Didn't Brock take a stock motored but tuned ZX14 and run 202-204 at Maxton?
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I just got the speedohealer. Installation was a sinch. I took my gps and headed out for 288 to hit some backroads in angelton this weekend to match the speedometer with gps .

These were my reading before Speedohealer installation.

Speedometer/GPS=

1.) 40/35
2.) 60/52
3.) 80/ 70
4.) 100/88
5.) 150/138

After I installed Speedohealer.


1.) 40/40
2.) 100/99
3.) 150/148
4.) ???/187 I could only look at one so sorry.
GPS has 187 recorded highest speed.
I had more in the motor but ran out of road quick.

It was just me and crazy @$$ adrain on his zx10. So I guess Im now satisfied. If you have a 2006/2007 zx14 speedohealer is definitly the way to go.

This performed on 2006 ZX14
Stock motor
aftermarket air filter
lowered
dyno tuned with
PCIII custom map
Muzzy full exhaust
TRE
Speedohealer
-1/+1 sprocket
M3 tires 120/190
Front end strapped tight.

This bike is a lot of fun, not as fun as the zx10 but definitly more comfortable and more stable at high speed.

Nice runs and good testing.... I like seeing the real data. 1 question though. are you SURE you have -1 up front? The reason I ask is, first, 187 mph(GPS) is pretty good, and I have a hard time believing it would go that fast with that low gearing -1+1.... With only the +1 rear, I could see it but....I know the 14s rev higher so maybe thats how it goes that fast with that gearing but... Secondly, you didn't have to dial in that much correction % in the Speedo-healer for that low of gearing. Just curious. 187 on the GPS is pretty good, with stock gearing you would be real close to 200mph. You should bring it to the Texas Mile in March and test it out....
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You might wanna go check some AMA dragracing to see classes where the 14 is in fact the winning bike at all those races. The busa has had 10 years to get records.
Mod for mod the 14 is not at all behind a Busa on stock engines. I know this as fact as I race them every Saturday. There has never been a 99-07 Busa EVER beat my 14 mod for mod and I have raced a lot of them. It is not just rider, the mph numbers never lie. The 08 Busa is a dead nuts match and it always comes down to the better rider. I dont know where you learned math but 2006-2009 doesnt add up to 7 years. If the 14 had 10 years of aftermarket performance support like the Busa has then there would be a change in your record books probably.
Land speed goes to the Busa hands down...for now.

Yeah I agree, 14s are good running bikes...Pipes/tunes/!flies will get you 180-185rwhp.....Same mods on a 99-07 busas will get you 160-165hp....no comparison. Now a Gen II busa is right in the same power range as the 14 but with much more low end. 14s will run 9.30s with stock motors....gen 1 busas will not(Unless Shine is riding em)...

Lastly, even the old ZX12s were quite under rated.....Mod for mod, even they would spank a stock motor Gen 1 busa.....I used to race against them every weekend back in 01-03....I had to put cams in my stock motored busa to trap what piped 12s were trapping(148-150mph)....Now once you start going into the motor, the Gen 1 busas were a way better platform to mod, but stock engine to stock engine, gen 1 busas were out classed as far back as 01.... Sorry, thats the reality.
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I was just poking a little fun but we can continue with facts....

So you've got a couple classes that the 14 is just now competing in. Congrats! It only took them a few years to compete since the rule changes. Before the rule change, they were where? Everyone was crying because the BUSA was dominating EVERYTHING!

Now you want to claim they had 10-years to beat the 14....bla....bla....blah. Last time I checked the ZX12 was suppose to be the BUSA killer from Kawi and where was it?

I'm not even going to argue with you about mod-for-mod, that has been proven over and over again. The bikes are close but the 14 is still behind, not to mention a to work on.

So since you have never been beat by one, I guess that means BUSA's are all slow. Maybe you are just riding a unicorn....

7-years = 1999-2005 but wait let me guess that doesn't count because the ZX12 was a flop... If you want to talk LSR, the BUSA has owned all since day 1 and continues to own all (1999-2009)!

Now it's the aftermarket supports fault that the 14 is behind... j/k You left yourself open for that but it's all good, I love the excuses. Just poking a little fun at the Kawi crowd...

Come on out to the Texas Mile and we'll see how fast your bike really is...
Leave the 12 out of it, we are talking 2006-2009 zx-14s. This thread wasnt about the 12.
I did not say the Busa was slow. The 1st. generation Busa cannot compete with the 14 on the strip without motor work, it just aint got enough power. With headwork and cam degreeing, yes. My bike is no unicorn just stock for stock has more power. Do you know of any 1st. gen busas that have run a 9.17 at 153 with a 235lb rider? That is just pipe and gearing. I think two of our board members saw me do it at Evadale on the "unicorn". Like I said the 2nd gen Busa is a dead match and the winner is whoever cuts the best light or whover has a bigger shot of nitrous. This is no Kaw vs. Suzuki pride thing, just facts.
Your bike runs 204 at the Tx mile? What gets it there? Nitrous? Motor work? Turbo? Sounds like a 1397 to me.
I have no interest in land speed at all so you wont see me there. Maybe I will see you at a drag strip...
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235lbs? light weight!

I guess I need to head over to Evadale and check it out!
Come on out Charles. It's too hot for the good numbers but you can see 9.40-high 30's all night.
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Didn't Brock take a stock motored but tuned ZX14 and run 202-204 at Maxton?
Brock didn't quite quite get it but he was close. They put Chad the jockey on and went 200...

Brock went 201 on a Gen-II BUSA though...


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NOT BROCK ..but a LSR jockey did .. brock did like 199 ..



Got BUSA i like your kind . always getting ganged raped at the dragstrip by zx14's ..

Wait....wait....wait....aren't you the guy running 9.50's on a TURBO-14...? j/k

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Yeah I agree, 14s are good running bikes...Pipes/tunes/!flies will get you 180-185rwhp.....Same mods on a 99-07 busas will get you 160-165hp....no comparison. Now a Gen II busa is right in the same power range as the 14 but with much more low end. 14s will run 9.30s with stock motors....gen 1 busas will not(Unless Shine is riding em)...

Lastly, even the old ZX12s were quite under rated.....Mod for mod, even they would spank a stock motor Gen 1 busa.....I used to race against them every weekend back in 01-03....I had to put cams in my stock motored busa to trap what piped 12s were trapping(148-150mph)....Now once you start going into the motor, the Gen 1 busas were a way better platform to mod, but stock engine to stock engine, gen 1 busas were out classed as far back as 01.... Sorry, thats the reality.
This is what's great about racing, everyone has different results. Alan, I experienced the opposite (maybe I was riding the unicorn). In 99-02 I was stationed over in MS/AL/TN and raced at all the different tracks on the weekends. I never had a 12 that could keep up. Most of the clutches couldn't hold them for more than a couple passes. Even then, they just didn't have the torque of the BUSA. A few dynoed in the high 170's about 5-10rwhp more than a Gen-I but the torque was never there.

1/8, 1/4, roll-on's, topend, we did it all and the 12 was never around. We had more trouble with the little 1k's in 01 until 150+ then the 12's.

Maybe it was the midwest air because when I was stationed in Ohio my 03 trapped 145mph on stock motor/pump gas with my 220lbs. on board (bent clutch basket). Brock rode it the same night bucking down the track went 149mph, on my Gen-1, 100% stock motor basic bolt-on's 87-pump gas. I've still got the slip!

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Leave the 12 out of it, we are talking 2006-2009 zx-14s. This thread wasnt about the 12.
I did not say the Busa was slow. The 1st. generation Busa cannot compete with the 14 on the strip without motor work, it just aint got enough power. With headwork and cam degreeing, yes. My bike is no unicorn just stock for stock has more power. Do you know of any 1st. gen busas that have run a 9.17 at 153 with a 235lb rider? That is just pipe and gearing. I think two of our board members saw me do it at Evadale on the "unicorn". Like I said the 2nd gen Busa is a dead match and the winner is whoever cuts the best light or whover has a bigger shot of nitrous. This is no Kaw vs. Suzuki pride thing, just facts.
Your bike runs 204 at the Tx mile? What gets it there? Nitrous? Motor work? Turbo? Sounds like a 1397 to me.
I have no interest in land speed at all so you wont see me there. Maybe I will see you at a drag strip...
No you are right the 14 runs pretty good. I had to throw the 12 in there because he said the fastest initially and well that's just not true for Kawi's. The 14 just doesn't compete much in LSR. They've gone 230ish and the ZX10 has gone 245. At least they are trying, I'll give them that...

Nitrous, motor work, turbo, 1397....

Sorry to disappoint, I'm running a 100% stock motor Gen-II. Check out my build thread on the org with all the info....

I'm looking at the next step but it sounds like Alan is talking me out of a TURBO. Who knows, just wanting to have a little fun, same as you guys...

It's like no one races anymore or even wants to. I've got to stir something in here while I'm at work, nothing else to do...
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"HOUSTON HALF MILE" - 196.8 MPH!
"TEXAS MILE" -182.265 MPH stock --204.468 MPH "Brock's Performance" basic mods -- 227.2 MPH "RCC TURBO" low boost/half naked!
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