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Old 08-27-2009, 01:37 PM   #1
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ZX14 Question

I recently got a ZX14. I have done the following mods: Muzzy full racing exhaust, PCIII (custom Map), TRE, lowered, +1-1 sprockets. Does anyone know how to bypass the governor? I keep bouncing off 185 and my RPMS are only about 7k. I know there is plenty more in the motor but I cant pass the restriction.

Please don't ask me why just tell me how.

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Old 08-27-2009, 01:44 PM   #2
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Timing Eliminator. (TRE)
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speedo healer.....you're not doing 185 indicated with a gearing change....actually, you probably weren't before the gear change, but that's neither here nor there....
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I have the TRE, all it does is open up the flies for me at 3k which gives me the stupid fast low end power.

I know that the speed is not acurate but still with it saying 185 I cant be off by more than 7 mph and still the motor is still low RPMs not just by guages but you can feel it.
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it can be off more than that....get a speedo healer, it should get rid of the lockout....i think.
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You can also carve one corner of the countershaft nut off.Thats where the speed sensor gets its timing
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there you go....easy tech I was under the impression that there was something in the programming between the computer and display that locks out at 185.....
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Good call didn't think of that one.
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I have the TRE, all it does is open up the flies for me at 3k which gives me the stupid fast low end power.

Wrong. Its called a TIMING eliminator for a reason.................figure it out.


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I know that the speed is not acurate but still with it saying 185 I cant be off by more than 7 mph and still the motor is still low RPMs not just by guages but you can feel it.
Wrong again. Stock the speedo is probably 8% off. You also made it worse with your gearing change. Get a speedo healer, and you might be able to ACTUALLY go 185..................which I have to admit is an insanely bat- retarded idea.
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Wrong. Its called a TIMING eliminator for a reason.................figure it out.




Wrong again. Stock the speedo is probably 8% off. You also made it worse with your gearing change. Get a speedo healer, and you might be able to ACTUALLY go 185..................which I have to admit is an insanely bat- retarded idea.

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Wrong. Its called a TIMING eliminator for a reason.................figure it out.




Wrong again. Stock the speedo is probably 8% off. You also made it worse with your gearing change. Get a speedo healer, and you might be able to ACTUALLY go 185..................which I have to admit is an insanely bat- retarded idea.

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The speed limiter is based on a certain RPM range in 6th gear....Odds are, its around 10k in 6th gear, thats what triggers the limiter to come on....its limiting speed by soft cutting the fuel on 2 cylinders. With a TRE, it tricks the ECM into thinking its in 5th gear all the time, therefore, no restriction takes place. Also it locks the 5th gear timing curves in at all times, therefore 1st/2nd/3rd/4th all get the full advance from 5th, hence your low end tq gained. Ofcourse you do lose your 6th gear fuel mapping tables therefore you get no fuel compensation for ram air. As long as it was custom mapped with the TRE, this 5th gear fueling all the time is fine.


As for your speedo error, with -1+1 sprockets and the factory 5-8% error, you are easily reading 20mph too fast as slow as 65mph.... (ie. 65 on GPS, 85 indicated on the speedo).... Get you a GPS and check it for yourself.

Lastly, if your bike is not pulling past 7k in 6th gear, I am not sure what to tell you....I KNOW on Suzukis, the limiter is soley based on RPMx6th gear and has nothing to do with the Speedo's indication....Maybe on kwackers they added that little tidbit in to further restrict the bike....a back up restriction if you will...

Get a Speedo Healer and you should be good to go.
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Wrong. Its called a TIMING eliminator for a reason.................figure it out.




Wrong again. Stock the speedo is probably 8% off. You also made it worse with your gearing change. Get a speedo healer, and you might be able to ACTUALLY go 185..................which I have to admit is an insanely bat- retarded idea.
Hhhmm mabye on jujukies this works, but in case you didn't know There already has been a test on this, look up google "flies vs TRE" . Ask anyone who has done the TRE ((((ON A ZX14))))) and they will tell you that its still restricted. And I do know about it tricking the ECU to make it think its in 6th ITS COMMON KNOWLEDGE mr super tech. Unless you have scientific knowledge of what the TRE does Shut the ur chit hole. I highly doubt that my zx 14 is topping out at 160 or even 170 for that matter. if you care test bring your speed gun, Im available after GOV work hours. I say this in humble words. lolololololol
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I recently got a ZX14. I have done the following mods: Muzzy full racing exhaust, PCIII (custom Map), TRE, lowered, +1-1 sprockets. Does anyone know how to bypass the governor? I keep bouncing off 185 and my RPMS are only about 7k. I know there is plenty more in the motor but I cant pass the restriction.

Please don't ask me why just tell me how.

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185 @ 7K rpm, is this possible? is it in Km or miles?
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Hhhmm mabye on jujukies this works, but in case you didn't know There already has been a test on this, look up google "flies vs TRE" . Ask anyone who has done the TRE ((((ON A ZX14))))) and they will tell you that its still restricted. And I do know about it tricking the ECU to make it think its in 6th ITS COMMON KNOWLEDGE mr super tech. Unless you have scientific knowledge of what the TRE does Shut the ur chit hole.
I do have scientific evidence of what a TIMING ELIMINATOR does. Its right there in the fscking name: it eliminates the timing . Now, just becuase ZX-14 guys are fscking dense and continue to use the name timing eliminator for a product that doesn't eliminate the timing , but instead opens up the secondaries sooner is not my problem.

Either way, its not negatively affecting the bikes performance on the top end.

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I highly doubt that my zx 14 is topping out at 160 or even 170 for that matter. if you care test bring your speed gun, Im available after GOV work hours. I say this in humble words. lolololololol
I don't care what you doubt or not. Your speedo is ~8% off at ANY speed, and thats stock. Your change in gearing has made this WORSE. Its just that simple.
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Some of you guys are wrong, wrong.
The speed limiter on a zx-14 is controlled by the speedometer sensor, it is not like the Hayabusa that does it by gear and rpm. The TRE for a zx-14 opens the secondary throttlebodie's butterflies. The zx-14 keeps the sec. flies closed until a certain rpm to torque. They stay open completely in 5th & 6th gear. The TRE tells the ecu it is in 5th gear all the time. The TRE has no affect on the speedlimiter.
I have a Speedohealer for the limiter and have removed the secondary flies on my 07.
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Hhhmm mabye on jujukies this works, but in case you didn't know There already has been a test on this, look up google "flies vs TRE" . Ask anyone who has done the TRE ((((ON A ZX14))))) and they will tell you that its still restricted. And I do know about it tricking the ECU to make it think its in 6th ITS COMMON KNOWLEDGE mr super tech. Unless you have scientific knowledge of what the TRE does Shut the ur chit hole. I highly doubt that my zx 14 is topping out at 160 or even 170 for that matter. if you care test bring your speed gun, Im available after GOV work hours. I say this in humble words. lolololololol
you would think that by the way you talked to him you would at least know your $hit... a TRE makes the bike think it's in 5th gear so you don't get the timing at the top of 6th gear.
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