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Old 08-26-2009, 09:54 AM   #1
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Any way to tell if it's the battery or charging system for sure?

Well, after nearly 4 months bikeless I got mine running again...for about 30-45 minutes...

I'm not sure if it's relavent, but riding home yesterday, I felt that the bike was running a little hot at 198-205ish on the highway between 60-80mph, but didn't think too much of it. Get near my place and exit the highway and about to turn down the street, noticed the guage looked a little dim...weird. Come up to the stop light and before even coming to a full stop the engine cuts off (and also notice that the temp guage got as high as 244...which I guess means cooling system never kicked in?). There's still enough juice to light up the guages all the way, but not enough to get the engine started.

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Had to walk that home about 2 blocks yesterday, which is apparently a bit harder than it sounds.
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If you have a volt meter you can check the batter to see if it has a full charge
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Well, after nearly 4 months bikeless I got mine running again...for about 30-45 minutes...

I'm not sure if it's relavent, but riding home yesterday, I felt that the bike was running a little hot at 198-205ish on the highway between 60-80mph, but didn't think too much of it. Get near my place and exit the highway and about to turn down the street, noticed the guage looked a little dim...weird. Come up to the stop light and before even coming to a full stop the engine cuts off (and also notice that the temp guage got as high as 244...which I guess means cooling system never kicked in?). There's still enough juice to light up the guages all the way, but not enough to get the engine started.

Any ideas?

Had to walk that home about 2 blocks yesterday, which is apparently a bit harder than it sounds.
Sounds kinda strange to me. Correct me if im wrong, but even if the battery is dead, you an push start it (bumb start) and run it and it shouldnt just die??? I just had one go bad on me (battery). Someone else might chime in here with some suggestions.
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i believe for a quick and dirty test connect a voltmeter/multimeter to the battery, measure battery voltage should be 12ish, crank the bike and it should jump to more like 13.5-14ish.
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Well, after nearly 4 months bikeless I got mine running again...for about 30-45 minutes...

I'm not sure if it's relavent, but riding home yesterday, I felt that the bike was running a little hot at 198-205ish on the highway between 60-80mph, but didn't think too much of it. Get near my place and exit the highway and about to turn down the street, noticed the guage looked a little dim...weird. Come up to the stop light and before even coming to a full stop the engine cuts off (and also notice that the temp guage got as high as 244...which I guess means cooling system never kicked in?). There's still enough juice to light up the guages all the way, but not enough to get the engine started.

Any ideas?

Had to walk that home about 2 blocks yesterday, which is apparently a bit harder than it sounds.
The water pump is run, mechanically, by the engine and should function as long as the bike is running. At feeway speeds this is all the cooling it needs. In stop and go traffic the fan should come on to provide the additional airflow. Depending on the bike, the fan might not come on till past 220
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Just bring in to me or Patrick and let us handle it and when U get it back then U can ride it, its usually really simple, quit being a cheap , U arent talking much money from the very first problem, getting the cover replaced and the broken bolt mess and the system checked out and repaired, I would have done the whole job in a few days maybe a week and would have prolly been just a couple dollars more than U spent messing with it for months, but yea it sounds more like the charging system has a problem, do U really wanna go there again?, I will help anyway I can and I,m sure Patrick will as well, just let a pro handle it and be done allready
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Just bring in to me or Patrick and let us handle it and when U get it back then U can ride it, its usually really simple, quit being a cheap , U arent talking much money from the very first problem, getting the cover replaced and the broken bolt mess and the system checked out and repaired, I would have done the whole job in a few days maybe a week and would have prolly been just a couple dollars more than U spent messing with it for months, but yea it sounds more like the charging system has a problem, do U really wanna go there again?, I will help anyway I can and I,m sure Patrick will as well, just let a pro handle it and be done allready
Tim, I actually just got the bike back from Patrick yesterday. Had someone offer to haul the bike up there on Saturday so I just took them up on the offer and decided to get it done with. This time instead of just getting the broken bolt out I decided to just leave all parts there and get it all done with, which he did. But I guess there's something else going on now that I wasn't previously aware of
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a bike is like a car, it will run with dead battery, just wont start. if it died while riding it is the charing system. remember to fully charge the battery after replacing the bad parts.

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Not on the later model bikes with fuel injection. They will NOT run with the battery disconnected or a fully shorted/discharged battery. If the battery is only low but will still light everything up, just not enough voltage to crank it, you can push start it and it will LIKELY start and the charging system will provide enough voltage for it to run and slowly recharge the battery to a degree. If the battery has a dead cell, it likely won't hold a charge and even though the charging system is working, when you kill the bike, its not gonna start back up.



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Do what Pyro stated, check the battery voltage, it needs to be at least 12.3-12.5v while sitting there. If not, its not going to start. You need to fully charge the battery. BUT since it died WHILE you were riding it, I am guessing the battery just crapped out....probably had a cell die...It will still show some voltage BUT if you put it under a load, that voltage will plummet.

A bike's charging system will only work well on a fully charged battery. Its not like a car to where the alternator is putting out 14v at 60 amps....that shiat will charge up a dead battery in no time. A bike's charging system is capable of that voltage but no where near those amps. I'm guessing your battery just crapped out, but you need to check the charging system also with a voltmeter.

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A static battery voltage of 12.2, then the engine running voltage may be 13.5

Then charge the battery and get a static voltage of 12.6, the running voltage will be 14.0 or more.

Basically, the system will only make so much voltage/amps based off of what its getting from the battery...its more of a "maintainer" really.



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It will tell you how to diagnose yo .
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Not on the later model bikes with fuel injection. They will NOT run with the battery disconnected or a fully shorted/discharged battery. If the battery is only low but will still light everything up, just not enough voltage to crank it, you can push start it and it will LIKELY start and the charging system will provide enough voltage for it to run and slowly recharge the battery to a degree. If the battery has a dead cell, it likely won't hold a charge and even though the charging system is working, when you kill the bike, its not gonna start back up.



To the OP....

Do what Pyro stated, check the battery voltage, it needs to be at least 12.3-12.5v while sitting there. If not, its not going to start. You need to fully charge the battery. BUT since it died WHILE you were riding it, I am guessing the battery just crapped out....probably had a cell die...It will still show some voltage BUT if you put it under a load, that voltage will plummet.

A bike's charging system will only work well on a fully charged battery. Its not like a car to where the alternator is putting out 14v at 60 amps....that shiat will charge up a dead battery in no time. A bike's charging system is capable of that voltage but no where near those amps. I'm guessing your battery just crapped out, but you need to check the charging system also with a voltmeter.

Example:

A static battery voltage of 12.2, then the engine running voltage may be 13.5

Then charge the battery and get a static voltage of 12.6, the running voltage will be 14.0 or more.

Basically, the system will only make so much voltage/amps based off of what its getting from the battery...its more of a "maintainer" really.



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What he said.^

Plus if the battery is bad / shorting internally the charging system may not show proper output while it's running.

Had we known you had an issue we could have checked it further while it was here.
Being as the bike was crashed on the RH side, the stator may have been damaged, the wiring could have gotten nicked or crushed when you put it in the new cover, the stator wires may be pulled out of the plug, the wiring may be damaged where you went down on the right side, the battery may be bad from sitting up among other things.
If you can bring the battery by I can load test it to check it out.
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Thanks, Patrick. Yeah, obviously if I knew something was up with the electrical system I would have asked to check it out, but it hasn't run in nearly 4 months, so I had no idea. Appreciate the offer on the trailer...the Tiburon just isn't equipped to haul it May be starting another "need a lift" thread soon.
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Wasent it wrecked on the LEFT side where the stator cover is? Or was it wrecked on the right side also? anytime I put a stator and cover on I check the charging system immediately to make sure its working properly to prevent something like this happening, sounds like the battery may have been ok thats why it started and ran for awhile until the battery ran down and thats when it died good luck with the repair
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hellmy vw wont run with a dead battery. and my daytona also got me to the gas station for a morning ride and found the battery was dead, or to low.it was like 11.4 volts. after replacing the battery a few weeks later the regulator rectifier died. watch the stator go a week after my warranty is up,lol. knock on wood.
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Wasent it wrecked on the LEFT side where the stator cover is? Or was it wrecked on the right side also? anytime I put a stator and cover on I check the charging system immediately to make sure its working properly to prevent something like this happening, sounds like the battery may have been ok thats why it started and ran for awhile until the battery ran down and thats when it died good luck with the repair
Yeah, it was left, but then I guess that depends on what way you're looking at it I'm not sure of the status of the battery, but I know it did require a charge up at the shop before being able to start.
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Car/bike/watercraft you reference the side of the vehicle based on driver/rider/operator's position.

Sounds like you're covered in advise though.
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Sounds like you're covered in advise though.
I know, I was just joking. I imagine he got confused on side because even though most damage was on left, I also had a right side rearset that needed to be replaced.
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Ya bout that... sorry we dropped your bike on the opposite side when you were cleaning up JK
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