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Old 08-22-2009, 08:24 AM   #1
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Tire Question for full size Motard

OK, I am working on getting a second set of wheels for the 2006 KTM450 SMR.

The intent is to use the Conti SM tires for street riding as I really like these tires. The Conti's have done well on the track days, but I'd like to see what I can do with more track oriented tires.

I am planning on using the extra set for a track day set up. I would like recommendations from those that know first hand, not read about here or there.

I am looking for suggestions on the track day tire set up.

1. I would like something that will perform "better" than the Conti SM tires for track days.
2. I do not have tire warmers, nor do I want to mess with them, unless I have to. If that is an absolute, I'll consider it.
3. I would like to see if there is a tire out there that will last a reasonable time frame. I'm not a racer, just planning on doing more track days.
4. I am using 17 inch wheels, standard on the 2006 KTM SMR 450, not a 16.5 front.
5. My track days will be at road going courses mainly, not dual surface tracks.
6. If you can give me expectations of costs on your suggestion, that would be appreciated.

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Old 08-22-2009, 11:17 AM   #2
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Run a set of Bridgestone BT003 Ride Smart or Michelin Pilot Powers (120/165 I think, make sure to go with 5" rear rim). Should be sticky enough for the track, and not require tire warmers. Even there DOT race tires can be run without warmers, but will shorten the life of the tire. They will come up to temperature fairly quickly.

I am running the Dunlop supermoto slicks on my CRF without warmers. When those go off, I will probably run a set of the BT003's, haven't decided on either the pros or the Ride Smart.
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I am running the Dunlop supermoto slicks on my CRF without warmers. When those go off, I will probably run a set of the BT003's, haven't decided on either the pros or the Ride Smart.
Scratch that, forgot my front rim was a 16.5". I will be running slicks! If I did have the 17" front though, I would go with the BT003's.
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The BT016's work very well.

Unless it's changed the 003 is not available in a 160 or 150 rear size.
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Thanks for the suggestions. Keep em coming. I just sealed a deal to get my front wheel set up, so I should be ready with the "track day" setup in time for Cresson with LSTD.

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The BT003RS are available in a 160/60 & a 150/60. The absolute BEST setup would be slicks, but I highly suggest warmers with that setup. I'm running the Dragon Supercorsa Pro on my WR450. So far so good. I'll break down the cost here:

BT003RS
120/70 = $130 + tax
150/60 = $165 + tax
160/60 = $170 + tax

Bridgestone slicks
120/600 = $155 + tax
165/625 = $179 + tax (Supermoto specific slick)

Pirelli Dragon Supercorsa Pro
120/70 = $145 + tax
160/60 = $160 + tax

Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa (Full race DOT)
120/70 = $180 + tax
150/60 = $190 + tax
160/60 = $200 + tax

Pirelli Diablo Superbike Slicks
120/70 = $180 + tax
160/60 = $200 + tax

Of course free shipping for MH members I'll be at Cresson, as usual, as well.

IMHO the BT003RS or Dragon Supercorsa Pro offer the best of both worlds. Great track performance with some streetability. If your looking for the BEST in track performance look no further than the slicks. It is best to run warmers, but on the Sumo, you can get away without them. Take a lap or two to warm the tires up as to not cold tear them, but other than that, let'r rip.
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The BT003RS are available in a 160/60 & a 150/60. The absolute BEST setup would be slicks, but I highly suggest warmers with that setup. I'm running the Dragon Supercorsa Pro on my WR450. So far so good. I'll break down the cost here:

BT003RS
120/70 = $130 + tax
150/60 = $165 + tax
160/60 = $170 + tax

Bridgestone slicks
120/600 = $155 + tax
165/625 = $179 + tax (Supermoto specific slick)

Pirelli Dragon Supercorsa Pro
120/70 = $145 + tax
160/60 = $160 + tax

Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa (Full race DOT)
120/70 = $180 + tax
150/60 = $190 + tax
160/60 = $200 + tax

Pirelli Diablo Superbike Slicks
120/70 = $180 + tax
160/60 = $200 + tax

Of course free shipping for MH members I'll be at Cresson, as usual, as well.

IMHO the BT003RS or Dragon Supercorsa Pro offer the best of both worlds. Great track performance with some streetability. If your looking for the BEST in track performance look no further than the slicks. It is best to run warmers, but on the Sumo, you can get away without them. Take a lap or two to warm the tires up as to not cold tear them, but other than that, let'r rip.

In my mind, I'd like to say I want slicks, but reality hits and then I think I need warmers with slicks. I don't have any problem with taking a few laps at an easier pace, then going a little faster, but I am worried about heat cycling slicks moreso than anything else without warmers.

I really don't keep up with tire technology at all I'm embarrassed to say. Maybe a dumb question, but why is the Full Race DOT so much more (what makes it "better") . But if you are using Dragon Supercorsa Pro, then that makes me want to try them. Do you think the heat cycling without warmers will be extremely detrimental (with your suggestion or slicks)?

I should have my extra wheels in this week. I will order from you when I figure out for sure what I am doing. I want to get it all together before the LSTD track day Friday at Cresson. I know someone that has a 16.5 front. I know about the handling positives of a 16.5, but would it be an advantage of any sort from a tire availability standpoint to go with a 16.5 for the track day set up, or would I only be looking at slicks.

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In my mind, I'd like to say I want slicks, but reality hits and then I think I need warmers with slicks. I don't have any problem with taking a few laps at an easier pace, then going a little faster, but I am worried about heat cycling slicks moreso than anything else without warmers.

I really don't keep up with tire technology at all I'm embarrassed to say. Maybe a dumb question, but why is the Full Race DOT so much more (what makes it "better") . But if you are using Dragon Supercorsa Pro, then that makes me want to try them. Do you think the heat cycling without warmers will be extremely detrimental (with your suggestion or slicks)?

I should have my extra wheels in this week. I will order from you when I figure out for sure what I am doing. I want to get it all together before the LSTD track day Friday at Cresson. I know someone that has a 16.5 front. I know about the handling positives of a 16.5, but would it be an advantage of any sort from a tire availability standpoint to go with a 16.5 for the track day set up, or would I only be looking at slicks.

Thanks to all for the great info.

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The full race DOT offers more edge grip as well as drive grip. The big advantage with tires like the BT003RS and Dragon Supercorsa Pro, is that you can get close to the same grip as full race rubber, but with some ease of use. There will still be some performance differences, but esspecially with a motard that would end up being negligable.

If you go with a 16.5" front you will be regulated to slicks at least on the front. There are no 16.5" DOT tires manufactured. At best maybe a rain tire, but as far as anything "grooved" nothing else is made. I've ridden the 16.5" Bridgestone Supermoto front, and it was VERY good. It sounds like to me, your looking for the most performance with the least amount of hassle, and that would be either the BT003RS or the Dragon SC Pro.
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The full race DOT offers more edge grip as well as drive grip. The big advantage with tires like the BT003RS and Dragon Supercorsa Pro, is that you can get close to the same grip as full race rubber, but with some ease of use. There will still be some performance differences, but esspecially with a motard that would end up being negligable.

If you go with a 16.5" front you will be regulated to slicks at least on the front. There are no 16.5" DOT tires manufactured. At best maybe a rain tire, but as far as anything "grooved" nothing else is made. I've ridden the 16.5" Bridgestone Supermoto front, and it was VERY good. It sounds like to me, your looking for the most performance with the least amount of hassle, and that would be either the BT003RS or the Dragon SC Pro.
Great info. I'll stick with the 17 front.

I am running a 150/60 on the rear. Can I get that size in the Dragon SC Pro? If so, I'll call tomorrow to order a set. If not, I'll go with the BT003RS in that size. I am very happy with the Conti SM 150 profile on the KTM, so I don't really see a need to go to a 160, unless you think otherwise?

Thanks again for the information. I'll call tomorrow to get a set ordered.

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i run slicks cause im a snob ... no warmers yet but ill get em next year

and 160s on the back, because thats what they came with from the factory so i keep on running em

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Great info. I'll stick with the 17 front.

I am running a 150/60 on the rear. Can I get that size in the Dragon SC Pro? If so, I'll call tomorrow to order a set. If not, I'll go with the BT003RS in that size. I am very happy with the Conti SM 150 profile on the KTM, so I don't really see a need to go to a 160, unless you think otherwise?

Thanks again for the information. I'll call tomorrow to get a set ordered.

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The Dragon SC Pro is not available in a 150. I run the 160/60 with only minimal chain rub. I have the BT003RS 150/60 in stock as well.
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The Dragon SC Pro is not available in a 150. I run the 160/60 with only minimal chain rub. I have the BT003RS 150/60 in stock as well.
I'm gonna flip a coin in the Pro versus 003RS, let fate decide since the price is close to the same and Mekrew rocks a 160.

I ain't skeered.

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i run slicks cause im a snob ... no warmers yet but ill get em next year

and 160s on the back, because thats what they came with from the factory so i keep on running em
Any chance your going to the LSTD track day at Cresson on the smaller track? I should be there. The more tards, the more fun.
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nah im saving my pennies this month on trackdays and waiting until next month .... it hurts me because cresson is on of my favorite tracks be it the 1.3 or 1.7 that track is fun
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Good point. 5.00 x 17 on mine. A 150 or 160 should be ok from what I have read on SMJ. I just liked the 150 profile on it now.
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I have a 5.0" rim on mine and the 160 fits perfect IMHO.
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