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Old 08-13-2009, 02:19 PM   #41
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Depending on who you talk to, you either steer with the pegs or you steer with the bars.


Ty Howard says to forget steering with the bars you steer with the pegs.

Keith Code has a motorcycle built with solid bars to prove that you CAN'T steer with the pegs.









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Also, lets be clear as to what we're talking about here: are we discussing mid-corner corrections or initial turn in? Your initial turn in may require a push on the bars to get the bike to go from bolt-upright to almost dragging a clip-on. However, once the bike is on its side, subtly adjusting your body position/weight balance (aka steering with the pegs) might be enough to affect a mid-corner correction.



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What is your source on the Ty comment...the forget the bars use the pegs one?

Just curious.
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Old 08-13-2009, 02:23 PM   #42
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What is your source on the Ty comment...the forget the bars use the pegs one?

Just curious.
errrr...I mispoke. That wasn't Ty, it was Larry Myers who said that.
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Old 08-13-2009, 02:33 PM   #43
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My bike is going slow, I want it to go fast. Change the bike?
Put someone else on it.
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errrr...I mispoke. That wasn't Ty, it was Larry Myers who said that.
Yea, Larry never used the handlebars. Thats why hes so fast.
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Are you weighting the foot pegs at all? I'm by NO MEANS an expert or even know very much, I just know what I learn from my own mistakes....I was never heavily weighting the pegs...& then I was lectured by a racer I respect greatly & he was talking to me about weighting the pegs. Seemed to help me when using my handlebars wasn't enough in a turn if I found myself running wide or wanted to lean more. I'm even lighter then you are, too. I don't think you can steer completly using the pegs, but it sure helped when I started focusing on weighting them more.
Yes...weight the pegs for sure. But there comes a point, when weighting the pegs isn't enough. Fast people use other methods to steer combined with weighting the pegs. Slow people might tell you otherwise. But honest fast guys, won't.

As always...this is for me.
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I'd also like to chime in on the pressure on those tires. From my personal experience, it's too high.

I have been running the 2CTs for a while now and find that on the track, 26 cold is a better pressure. I know it seems extremely low, but you'll notice the bike plants better. Take the temperature when it's hot and you'll find it will be at 30ish.

30 cold and you're running @ 34+, which will cause problems.

Something else to try playing with.

You can run a lot lower pressure on the track than you think initially.
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Wouldnt more pressure on the bars INCREASE lean angle? If Im turning right and push the right handle bar forward, that increases my lean....

Whoops, let me clarify. Since my last post this has already been commented, but I was referring to when you apply more and more pressure on the bars, that a problem you will run into is a progressive decrease in the amount of lean angle available. You asked if increasing your lean angle by counter steering would upset the bikes traction and handling. When too much or too rapid a steering input at speed is applied, you could potentially wash the front as the contact patch is narrowed with increases in lean angle.
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I'd also like to chime in on the pressure on those tires. From my personal experience, it's too high.

I have been running the 2CTs for a while now and find that on the track, 26 cold is a better pressure. I know it seems extremely low, but you'll notice the bike plants better. Take the temperature when it's hot and you'll find it will be at 30ish.

30 cold and you're running @ 34+, which will cause problems.

Something else to try playing with.

You can run a lot lower pressure on the track than you think initially.
Dang thats really low Ill do it after I see you do it
I will definetly experiment with tire pressures though, thanks!
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I just put the bike on auto-pilot for the more difficult turns.
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Depending on who you talk to, you either steer with the pegs or you steer with the bars.


Ty Howard says to forget steering with the bars you steer with the pegs.

Keith Code has a motorcycle built with solid bars to prove that you CAN'T steer with the pegs.









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Also, lets be clear as to what we're talking about here: are we discussing mid-corner corrections or initial turn in? Your initial turn in may require a push on the bars to get the bike to go from bolt-upright to almost dragging a clip-on. However, once the bike is on its side, subtly adjusting your body position/weight balance (aka steering with the pegs) might be enough to affect a mid-corner correction.



Am I still being clear?
Crystal Clear! I am ok using the bars for corner entry. I think I am getting some pretty good ideas now.

If I am consistently using the bars to hold a lean angle in a turn in which there is a constant radius and I have a constant speed then I should try to weight the pegs more to lessen the force on the bar.

If I am in a turn leaned over and the radius is decreasing, I might have to push on the bars more to lean more if weighting the pegs isn't enough.

Next question: Does anyone go to the extent to put almost all of their weight on the inside peg leaving the outside foot basically just touching the peg?
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Are you weighting the foot pegs at all? I'm by NO MEANS an expert or even know very much, I just know what I learn from my own mistakes....I was never heavily weighting the pegs...& then I was lectured by a racer I respect greatly & he was talking to me about weighting the pegs. Seemed to help me when using my handlebars wasn't enough in a turn if I found myself running wide or wanted to lean more. I'm even lighter then you are, too. I don't think you can steer completly using the pegs, but it sure helped when I started focusing on weighting them more.
Can you explain a little of what the "expert" said?
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I just put the bike on auto-pilot for the more difficult turns.
A guy on an sv tried that in front of me in turn three of TWS (Texas World Speedway) once didnt work so well
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If I am consistently using the bars to hold a lean angle in a turn in which there is a constant radius and I have a constant speed then I should try to weight the pegs more to lessen the force on the bar.
Incorrect. If you're at maintenance throttle (aka constant speed) in a constant radius turn you shouldn't have to do any mid-corner correction. Once the initial lean angle is set, the bike (when properly setup) should indefinitely hold that exact arc. If you're having to push on the bars it means there's something amiss with the suspension, you're not actually at a constant speed, or your doing something weird on the bike. Like.....possiblly leaning AGAINST the turn? Just some things to think about.
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