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Old 08-07-2009, 01:52 PM   #1
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Doug Polen's 1:1 School.

I learnt today that they will be in October in Texas. Do you think it is worth it? Is it comparable to Kevin Schwants and/or Ketih Code's school?

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Old 08-07-2009, 02:03 PM   #2
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I've read a glowing review on his school in Cycle world.
Money well spent if you can afford it.
2 way helmet intercoms are used to get actual 1 on 1 instruction while on the track!
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Holy !

Not a bad price! $600 for Barber + what it costs to get there.

Sounds like a really good deal. But everyone will have their subjective opinions about which one is better. My guess is with a smaller group you'll have more seat time.

I'm going to have to look into the Barber class. My guess is it's probably already full.
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Think about this, how many time have Ty won races on these Texas surrounding tracks.... Ummmm maybe 100 + races rite? And how many races or times have this guy been on or in Texas ????? Do the math sir!!!!
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Think about this, how many time have Ty won races on these Texas surrounding tracks.... Ummmm maybe 100 + races rite? And how many races or times have this guy been on or in Texas ????? Do the math sir!!!!

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IMO spending money on Ty's class is money better spent.
he knows the tracks here better,which is where you'll be riding,i assume.
plus with Ty,nothing will be sugar coated,
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Think about this, how many time have Ty won races on these Texas surrounding tracks.... Ummmm maybe 100 + races rite? And how many races or times have this guy been on or in Texas ????? Do the math sir!!!!

Why not do both?

You can always learn something new.
It's probably been a while, but Doug's turned some laps in Texas. Thats where he spent most of his life according to his bio.

http://www.gopolen.com/doug_polen.php

Either way, a rider of that caliber does'nt need 1000 laps on a track to get a feel for it. Just look at Ben Spies.
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No offense to Ty Howard, because we all know of his capabilities, especially here on Tx terf, some around here probably know better than most (those that have raced him).

But seriously........it's fvcking Doug Polen.

I'd be sure as every single swinger that throws their leg over a bike at either a trackday or race, would be lining up if Rossi came to town to teach a few classes.
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IMO spending money on Ty's class is money better spent.
he knows the tracks here better,which is where you'll be riding,i assume.
plus with Ty,nothing will be sugar coated,


Meh! Ty is great, I want to take his class, but he hasn't had much success outside of club racing. ('cept that suntrust endurance series)

Ty may be able to teach you every nuance about the local tracks, but Doug is a multi-time national/world champion. I'd like to think there is something non-track specific that would improve my skill set that I could learn from him.


Now, when/where can I sign up for the Scott Russell class?!
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the Doug Polen School will be at Harris Hill this october... wish i had the cash.. He is a super nice guy...


And Scott Russell is one of the instructors at Jamie James's school isn't he
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Exactly, this will be at Harris Hill I don't think Ty has been at HH. Aside from that, we are comparing apples to oranges here, we all know Ty is great but Polen has raced the best and won.
I have heard several mix comments from people that have attended this "high in" classes. Never heard of anyone that has taken Doug Polen's classe before though.
I am just debating if this would beat the 5-10 TD I can do with that kind of doe.
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I am just debating if this would beat the 5-10 TD I can do with that kind of doe.

Shoot, I'd do it just to have a chance to hang out with the guy. But that's just me.
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Guys, Doug Polen was racing at Oak Hill, Texas World (in two different configurations), not to mention AMA and World events before Ty even through a leg over a street bike in anger and started racing road bikes.

How do I know? I saw it with my own eyes.

Not taking away from Ty because he's very capable and I'm sure his school is money well spent, but Doug Polen raced with the CRRC (now CMRA) long, long ago. Doug still races too, so it's not like he's out of touch with riding/ racing. Suffice it to say that Doug knows TWS (Texas World Speedway) very, very well.

Long story short, any good instruction is worth the money, no matter your skill level!
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How do I know? I saw it with my own eyes.

+1 I saw him race TWS (Texas World Speedway) in the early 90's. The AMA even raced TWS (Texas World Speedway) twice in one year.
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why would anybody teach a race school that nobody races at?!
If his race school is so good then why doesn't he teach it at a local track that the cmra goes to. Because he'll get his handed to him by the local experts.
No racer is going to go to harris hill for a race school.
Why not keep your money here with the local texas boys that race our tracks consistantly.
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How many TDs have you done, Irak?

How frequently do you do them?

IMO, seat time in very close frequency is the best way to learn. Since doing LMS days last year, I've not had any 'real instruction' on riding skills. I've done 8 days so far this year (not a great number, but decent) and I'm still improving on the basic fundamentals I was taught.

I do think I've hit a wall @ MSR-H and need some learning, but I'm running pretty good there (experience considering)
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Becouse hes not teaching you the track. hes teaching you skills that can be applied to any track. Ive taken Both Larry Myers class, and Ty Howards class. Both on different bikes at msrh.

Even though I had 8 years racing exp. I still learned . And I just didnt learn Stuff that was exclusive to MsrH. I went to TWS (Texas World Speedway) yestarday and was able to apply what I had learned from them.

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And as far as being 'local'. The whole time I followed Polen's career, he was listed as being from/residing in Carrollton, TX

Though his wiki stays he was born in Michigan? Sorta like Ben Spies being born in Tennesee, but he's a Texan.
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why would anybody teach a race school that nobody races at?!
If his race school is so good then why doesn't he teach it at a local track that the cmra goes to. Because he'll get his handed to him by the local experts.
No racer is going to go to harris hill for a race school.
Why not keep your money here with the local texas boys that race our tracks consistantly.
While I know the answer to why he's teaching at H2R, and I agree with you, but Arturo brings up a good point. The local boys have local knowlege, the local boys do a great job (we've got some on staff too), but there's a lot to be gained by someone like Polen that those guys don't have- world and National experience at a level they've never run.

Personally, I don't care for Polen or his demeanor from what I remember. I remember him from back then and didn't really like him then. He ran a friend of mine off track at TWS (Texas World Speedway) (at that time we ran the horseshoe back on to the Nascar oval) and he almost hit the wall head-on. It was a chump move IMHO and I can't say that I don't believe it was intentional. He was less than apologetic (I'm being nice here) in the pits after the race too...

That said, nobody (including Ty) is going to hand Polen "his " at TWS (Texas World Speedway). Or Oak Hill. That dude knows those tracks and I'm sure he can still run record pace there, even now. Like when Pridmore taught at Cresson, there's a lot out there for him to give knowlege-wise that the local boys don't have. Ty might be faster than Polen right off the bat there, but it won't take him long to get to his pace.

Regardless of your beliefs, you can't argue that instruction by someone who's raced at his level doesn't have value.
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Regardless of your beliefs, you can't argue that instruction by someone who's raced at his level doesn't have value.
But would you say that without some pretty decent experience (read "a lot), the money could be best spent somewhere else? (ie more tracktime)
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How many TDs have you done, Irak? Not sure, about 12-15 last year; around 6-8 this year.
How frequently do you do them? At least one per month, but I always try to do 2.
IMO, seat time in very close frequency is the best way to learn. Since doing LMS days last year, I've not had any 'real instruction' on riding skills. I've done 8 days so far this year (not a great number, but decent) and I'm still improving on the basic fundamentals I was taught.

I do think I've hit a wall @ MSR-H and need some learning, but I'm running pretty good there (experience considering)
I think I've met you before, were you yesterday at TWS (Texas World Speedway)?
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Polen turns 50 next year, no way he's going to run record pace.
I'm sure he has lots to teach.
I wonder why is he teaching on a cmra race weekend? He afraid a local expert will take his class and Polen won't be able to kept up.
Polen lives in california, born in Detroit. So he's not local.
Best instruction is private one on one. One on one with Ty would be far better then a class of 6 with Polen.
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