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Old 08-01-2009, 08:42 PM   #101
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Well first off cars 4 tires bikes have 2
And they weigh more and they're more stable, yada yada yada...


yet still, they have brakes front and rear, and actually about the same split in braking power....wonder why that might be?

Couldn't POSSIBLY be related to the physics involved could it?
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Well first off cars 4 tires bikes have 2
Really??? I was wondering where my other two tires went.



That explains a lot
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And they weigh more and they're more stable, yada yada yada...


yet still, they have brakes front and rear, and actually about the same split in braking power....wonder why that might be?

Couldn't POSSIBLY be related to the physics involved could it?
Your example of physics wasn't right. Especially regarding sport or streetbikes. Works for cruisers tho
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Stop using car facts towards motorcycles. They don't apply as much as you think
Allah bends the rules for motorcycles! QUICK, someone tell Honda engineers to force engine braking to the front tire lol

funny pictures laws do not apply to kitten
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Personally I TOTALLY disagree with that statement. I would say IMPROPER use of the rear brake has contributed to a huge number of crashes. The ultimate SOURCE is human error.

Is it THAT difficult for you to admit that you may not know as much as you THINK you do? If i offended you by saying you were wrong, perhaps I could have been a bit more gentle about it, but that doesnt change the pure physics at work.

If the rear brake was not needed it would not BE there max. Think about that...
Ha ha ha ha. Is it possible for you to admit that you don't know as much as you think you do? I'm backed up by an expert who trains motorcycle riders. I've already provided the notation.

Further, please point out where I said never use the rear brake. Or, where I said the rear brake was useless. Ha ha ha ha. You crack me up.
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my train of thought is to use the least amount of inputs at the same time on the track, this goes for both cars and bikes.
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Ha ha ha ha. Is it possible for you to admit that you don't know as much as you think you do? I'm backed up by an expert who trains motorcycle riders. I've already provided the notation.

Further, please point out where I said never use the rear brake. Or, where I said the rear brake was useless. Ha ha ha ha. You crack me up.
Oh I know what he does - and i guarantee you he trains them to use the front AND rear. I'll bet real money on it.

I have no problem admitting where I'm ignorant. It is possible we are both misunderstanding each other.
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Your example of physics wasn't right. Especially regarding sport or streetbikes. Works for cruisers tho
The laws of physics change for cruisers?

The geometry is different, but the same laws of physics apply.
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Allah bends the rules for motorcycles! QUICK, someone tell Honda engineers to force engine braking to the front tire lol

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Im gonna assume you meant on their bikes...cause Honda applies engine braking to the front wheels quite well on most of their cars
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Im gonna assume you meant on their bikes...cause Honda applies engine braking to the front wheels quite well on most of their cars
Naturally.
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Naturally.
I do wonder if it would be possible to run power through the front wheel ...as well as the back of course....

Hm....food for thought...
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I do wonder if it would be possible to run power through the front wheel ...as well as the back of course....

Hm....food for thought...
Read about it just a few hours ago...I wonder what this engineer thinks of this thread

http://www.kawiforums.com/two-wheele...portbikes.html

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Someone built a r1 with a hydraulically powered front wheel. I bet engine braking would be weird on that .
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Read about it just a few hours ago...I wonder what this engineer thinks of this thread

http://www.kawiforums.com/two-wheele...portbikes.html

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=28718232001
Cool! And kinda weird - thats about what I was envisioning. Either that or an electric motor on the front hub...
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Track = control conditions.. street does not. The increase risk of variables in regards to traction grow.

So keith 'recommends', that all recommends...this is not the same as stating 'only trains'.
Proper application of both brakes will result in a short/faster stop than misapplication of both or use of a single brake. It's a matter of physics...
I'm sure 'K" has seen more due to rear lock... of course, it's called human error. That doesn't mean PROPER use of both is wrong, more like 'harder' for people to grasp and properly apply.
In a street situation you are more likely to encounter something that is going to impact and reduce traction on either wheel.

Does that make either brake, too strong... just means the rider needs to learn to ride.
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Track = control conditions.. street does not. The increase risk of variables in regards to traction grow.

So keith 'recommends', that all recommends...this is not the same as stating 'only trains'.
Proper application of both brakes will result in a short/faster stop than misapplication of both or use of a single brake. It's a matter of physics...
I'm sure 'K" has seen more due to rear lock... of course, it's called human error. That doesn't mean PROPER use of both is wrong, more like 'harder' for people to grasp and properly apply.
In a street situation you are more likely to encounter something that is going to impact and reduce traction on either wheel.

Does that make either brake, too strong... just means the rider needs to learn to ride.
Nah - we've got to be wrong, because one totally out of context comment from Keith has to be the final word on the subject. Physics? That's not even part of the equation.
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I agreed with honorsdaddy about using both brakes will have a shorter stopping distance. If both tires are skidding on the pavement they will provide the most friction and stopping power.
As for using rear brake at the track, you can use it to back it in, if you have the and the skill.

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Well if its rider error, then why do ABS brakes on bikes not stop extremely better than non ABS brakes?
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