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Old 08-01-2009, 07:44 PM   #61
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i agree with everything but this.... and heres why

have you ever noticed that when a motocross racer taps the rear brake in mid air the front of the bike goes down? i have. ok now lets say you hop on your bike and tap the back brake going down the road. the front will dive just like hitting the front brakes just not as much.

i think what you where trying to say was.. by not using as much front brake a rider could use the back brake a little because the back isnt being pulled off the ground.
Midair physics are a little different and the gyroscopic effect comes into play.
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Sure - here ya go: http://www.mit.edu/
hahaha he asked for a link and you gave him jack lol he shoulda have been more specific lol
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hahaha he asked for a link and you gave him jack lol he shoulda have been more specific lol
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http://autopedia.com/stuttgart-west/...Physics01.html

Cager physics apply in bike world, too
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Come to the track. Demonstrate some of your rear braking talent.
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Midair physics are a little different and the gyroscopic effect comes into play.
hahahaah no it applies the exact same way on the ground. and you can ask any stunter that can roll long stoppies.

if you are useing the front brake hard enough to get the back wheel off the ground and you tap that back brake, the back tire will lift off the ground more. gyroscopic effects are the same on the ground as in the air, with one difference the front tire is on the ground to keep the bike from adjusting likee it would mid air
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"While it is true for most riders that a motorcycle will come to a full stop
quicker with both brakes applied, in racing, you don't come to a full stop
until you're done."

So, what was it you were saying?
Do note the very last line in what you quoted.

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Come to the track. Demonstrate some of your rear braking talent.
who you talkin to willis?
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Do note the very last line in what you quoted.

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Pffft. Just admit you are wrong.

"Learn to totally rely on the front brake for quick,
clean stopping; then, if you still have a use for the rear, go ahead and use
it. But realize that the rear brake is the source of a huge number of
crashes both on and off the track."


I'm sure you are more knowledgeable than Keith Code.

Go back to your Harley.
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Come to the track. Demonstrate some of your rear braking talent.
Like i said - i'll put mine against yours, we can measure the distances and then swap. I'll get shorter distances on YOUR bike than you will.

Its simple physics. You can argue all you want, but you're wrong. The bike WILL stop shorter and more controlled when using BOTH brakes. PERIOD.
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dammit i gotta run to my biches house ill get on and debate more with yall in a bit
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hahaha he asked for a link and you gave him jack lol he shoulda have been more specific lol
I was being a bit of a smartass - look where the link goes....(MIT has a VERY good physics program)
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Like i said - i'll put mine against yours, we can measure the distances and then swap. I'll get shorter distances on YOUR bike than you will.

Its simple physics. You can argue all you want, but you're wrong. The bike WILL stop shorter and more controlled when using BOTH brakes. PERIOD.
well duhhhhhh

im still sayin your example is wrong
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who you talkin to willis?
Romeo, Romeo where for are thou Romeo... and his badass SV. Will you be at TWS (Texas World Speedway) next weekend?
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I was just going to add the stoppie concept also. The technique used to do an endo requires hitting the rear brake to cause the rear to lift off the ground.
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Like i said - i'll put mine against yours, we can measure the distances and then swap. I'll get shorter distances on YOUR bike than you will.

Its simple physics. You can argue all you want, but you're wrong. The bike WILL stop shorter and more controlled when using BOTH brakes. PERIOD.
See this is what people do when they have lost the argument. They attempt to change it. And, no Harley guy, you'll not be swinging a leg over my bike. I'll save you the medical bills.
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Pffft. Just admit you are wrong.

"Learn to totally rely on the front brake for quick,
clean stopping; then, if you still have a use for the rear, go ahead and use
it. But realize that the rear brake is the source of a huge number of
crashes both on and off the track."


I'm sure you are more knowledgeable than Keith Code.

Go back to your Harley.
Again - the very last line in the information YOU provided:

"While it is true for most riders that a motorcycle will come to a full stop
quicker with both brakes applied, in racing, you don't come to a full stop
until you're done."

I am NOT saying (and never have said) there are no situations in which you should not use specifically one or the other. Certainly there are. I wouldnt touch the front going through a corner when i had to burn off a little speed for example, and using just the rear when i have to slow down RFN would be stupid in the extreme.

My statement was and remains the same: Using BOTH allows for a more controllable and shorter stopping distance and that it is a bad idea to train yourself to rely upon only one or the other.
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But you do have to train yourself to learn how to use only one or the other in certain situations.
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See this is what people do when they have lost the argument. They attempt to change it. And, no Harley guy, you'll not be swinging a leg over my bike. I'll save you the medical bills.
Ive never changed it.

Incidentally - I havent ALWAYS ridden a Harley. I'm just fully aware of the attitude towards cruiser riders on here. Thanks for once again demonstrating it.

I dont typically agree with Ormand on anything - but he's right - cager physics apply to bikes too...well some of them.
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Rear brake should be used along with the front whenever you're coming to a stop under normal street use. I seem to remember reading somewhere that under 15mph, you should be using the back brake near exclusively. Front is almost TOO strong at slow speeds.

If you're in the habit of never using the rear, this can be a VERY bad thing, as your first inclination will be to grab the front only in a panic situation. We all know that Mr. Front Brake is definitely not our friend if the bars are turned a bit and we also all know that cagers do really stupid all the time - especially in a corner.

Ride however ya want - and feel free to disregard the input of just some dumbass old guy on a Hardley who certainly cannot POSSIBLY know what he's talking about. Just offering the input of my experience.
What you say....

And then what Keith Code says...

"It is my recommendation that you master using only the front brake except when riding in slippery conditions."

So, you are more of an expert than Keith Code? BTW, I said the same thing.

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Romeo, Romeo where for are thou Romeo... and his badass SV. Will you be at TWS (Texas World Speedway) next weekend?
Yes sir
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