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Old 07-31-2009, 11:19 PM   #41
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He did give me a citation: Illegal use of blue emergency lights?

Looked up in the DPS citation listing...none there...so hopefully they will just drop it.

http://www.houstontx.gov/courts/pdf/...edule_0108.pdf


Look it up under in the Texas Penal Code book under the traffic section and you will find the law....
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Old 08-02-2009, 10:44 PM   #43
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this is what i asked DPS

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is it legal to have NON FLASHING blue lights showing to the front or back of a motorcycle while driving on the highway? if so where is it written?

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The only restriction on color is red and that it can not be visible from directly in front of the center of the vehicle ( 547.305b). As far as blue, the only restriction is it can not be a beacon, flashing or alternating light; this goes for red and white as well ( 547.305c).



Im including a link to the Texas Transportation Code. Look at Chapter 547 which covers vehicle equipment. Section 305 of that chapter covers restrictions on use of lights in general and Section 801 has to do specifically with motorcycles.

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Humble PD pulled me over because of the blue lights, he could not find the law in his book so he let me go. Roman Forest pulled me over for the lights and said the blue were ok but i had to turn off the white strobes while in RF.
only two times i've been stopped for the lights, but i have had a few tickets and warnings for other things while i had the lights on.
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Not so. All our medic units have blue.

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I youst to work for frazer ltd, the builder of those ambulances. my dad still works for them, but yea we put blue on ambulances all over the country and never seemed tobe an issue!
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I youst to work for frazer ltd, the builder of those ambulances. my dad still works for them, but yea we put blue on ambulances all over the country and never seemed tobe an issue!


'cuz the bambalances are 'mergency vee-hickuls.
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'cuz the bambalances are 'mergency vee-hickuls.
he's referring to my reply to the post stating that only POLICE could use blue, which is apparently not the case.
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he's referring to my reply to the post stating that only POLICE could use blue, which is apparently not the case.
It's not the who or where, it's the youst.
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as a matter of fact, only popo are allowed blue, fire and ems can use all other colors except blue.


Wrong I run Red/Blue on my Personal Truck for EMS....
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You know I have no problem admitting I am wrong but the more I read this law..the more it doesn't make sense.

So it says "a person may not operate a motor vehicle equipped with a red, white, or blue beacon, flashing, or alternating lights unless the equipment is:"

If that is the case then all vehicles are not legal given the fact that all vehicles have a white beacon light in the front.

I was initially reading it as have alternating/flashing of one of the three colors, but then I accepted that if I had red, blue, or white then its illegal. SO in this case all vehicles are not compliant with the law since it has a white beacon light that is nonflashing......

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no need to bump so soon, give it time people will reply. long story short, the blue lights on your bike are not gonna sit well with most LEO's. whether you can bend the wording of the law to make someone think they are legal, you might as well just take them off anyways, unless you wanna get hassled like a every where you go by LEOs.
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no need to bump so soon, give it time people will reply. long story short, the blue lights on your bike are not gonna sit well with most LEO's. whether you can bend the wording of the law to make someone think they are legal, you might as well just take them off anyways, unless you wanna get hassled like a every where you go by LEOs.
Sorry didn't mean to post that 2nd post, i couldn't delete it so i just ".." it.

They are off and i don't think I am bending the word of the law, as law is never black and white, thats why there are lawyers. It clearly states Red, White or Blue.
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Sorry didn't mean to post that 2nd post, i couldn't delete it so i just ".." it.

They are off and i don't think I am bending the word of the law, as law is never black and white, thats why there are lawyers. It clearly states Red, White or Blue.
Dude - you're wrong. Period. There's no middle ground.

Seriously - just accept it.

Besides, as we've pointed out, they're worthless as fog lights and as an accent light, you'd be better served putting something else down there.
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rear red strobe on 18 wheelers and heavy trucks

hey - i see a LOT of rearward facing single red strobes on big trucks...

both on the road and the highways...

sometimes they're amber...

anybody know where the law on that is?
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Dude - you're wrong. Period. There's no middle ground.

Seriously - just accept it.

Besides, as we've pointed out, they're worthless as fog lights and as an accent light, you'd be better served putting something else down there.
Oh I am going to go before the judge and plead guilty for having them on. Then I am going to ask him/her about the white lights and its play in the law - so what if I want to put white led lamps now.

I didn't become an US Army Captain by accepting as-is.

And oh by the way this was a study done by NASA:

"Measurements between two stations 0.4 km apart with a thermocouple and galvanometer and with spectrograms, properly calibrated, of the absorption of light by fog for wave-lengths from 0.4 to 3μ showed that the absorption increased slightly with decrease in wave-length, but hardly enough to indicate that red light is appreciably better than blue light for the purpose of penetrating fog."


And another one by the Dept of Energy:

"There is no good reason why fog lights are yellow. Here is an
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Fog droplets are, on average, smaller than cloud droplets, but they still are huge compared with the wavelengths of visible light. Thus scattering of such light by fog is essentially wavelength independent. Unfortunately, many people learn (without caveats) Rayleigh's scattering law and then assume that it applies to everything. They did not learn that this law is limited to scatterers small compared with the wavelength and at wavelengths far from strong absorption."

So in essence contrary to popular belief blue is not entirely useless. Since there are 12 different kind of fogs that affect our atmosphere.
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I'll put your blue "fog" LEDs against my white fog lights (read:bulbs) any day.
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I'll put your blue "fog" LEDs against my white fog lights (read:bulbs) any day.
Actually you're right. They continued on in the studies that said white fog lamps are probably the best one because they contain the entire light spectrum. Thats why you see them more on the newer vehicles.
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You know I have no problem admitting I am wrong but the more I read this law..the more it doesn't make sense.

So it says "a person may not operate a motor vehicle equipped with a red, white, or blue beacon, flashing, or alternating lights unless the equipment is:"

If that is the case then all vehicles are not legal given the fact that all vehicles have a white beacon light in the front.

I was initially reading it as have alternating/flashing of one of the three colors, but then I accepted that if I had red, blue, or white then its illegal. SO in this case all vehicles are not compliant with the law since it has a white beacon light that is nonflashing......
There is not a single car that is produced that has a white beacon on the front of the vehicle. A headlamp is not a beacon. You're confusing terms to describe lights.
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