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Old 07-28-2009, 10:41 AM   #61
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Uh, The OP is posting about buying a 600RR, not a factory race bike
and if they can't make it work..................................
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:43 AM   #62
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been tested but not used,

do you have a link, story, feature etc
Thats my point really......if they don't want us to know what they are running they will not tell us. With some sort of ABS on every car produced in the world, I have a hard time believing that a top tier racebike does not have some form of ABS on it. I read an article in Roadracing world a couple of years ago that stated the average motogp bike has over 200 sensors on it. With that many sensors and multiple gyros......ABS seems like a small detail.
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:00 AM   #64
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Thats my point really......if they don't want us to know what they are running they will not tell us. With some sort of ABS on every car produced in the world, I have a hard time believing that a top tier racebike does not have some form of ABS on it. I read an article in Roadracing world a couple of years ago that stated the average motogp bike has over 200 sensors on it. With that many sensors and multiple gyros......ABS seems like a small detail.
As you say ABS isn't new, it's been around donkeys years (on cars!!),
I can't help but feel that if abs was being used reguarly and successfully we would have heard about it by now.
LC, TC, adjustable engine braking etc are common practice, why would ABS be secret??
I also think with the incredible slow motion photography that we all now get to see, the boffins out there would have picked up on it and it would have been reported.
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As you say ABS isn't new, it's been around donkeys years (on cars!!),
I can't help but feel that if abs was being used reguarly and successfully we would have heard about it by now.
LC, TC, adjustable engine braking etc are common practice, why would ABS be secret??
I also think with the incredible slow motion photography that we all now get to see, the boffins out there would have picked up on it and it would have been reported.
I can agree and see your point. The Roadracing World article on the CBR600rr ABS system was very positive. From that article, I gathered that the system was working well enough that the rider didn't have to change the way he rode the bike, but that it felt natural. That tells me that the ABS enhances the bike.....not making it a different bike to ride. Honda does not just throw stuff out there without testing it to the point of stupidity. Essentially the biggest weakness of the Honda is the engine power. It rails and is reliable as the sun.....it just requires a few $$ being spent on the motor.

I'll have to do some searching and see what I can come up with on the ABS in Motogp or any other moto racing area. Stay tuned....
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and if they can't make it work..................................
you see my point
1) the 600RR is the first bike in the super sport class with ABS
2) No one in the SSP class of the Superbike World Championship races with stock brakes, period
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I can agree and see your point. The Roadracing World article on the CBR600rr ABS system was very positive. From that article, I gathered that the system was working well enough that the rider didn't have to change the way he rode the bike, but that it felt natural. That tells me that the ABS enhances the bike.....not making it a different bike to ride. Honda does not just throw stuff out there without testing it to the point of stupidity. Essentially the biggest weakness of the Honda is the engine power. It rails and is reliable as the sun.....it just requires a few $$ being spent on the motor.

I'll have to do some searching and see what I can come up with on the ABS in Motogp or any other moto racing area. Stay tuned....

I'm going for a pint now but I'll check in later for the sequel
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I gave up initially... for "obvious reasons.."

600rr's ABS for club racing - what a joke... no please leave that to the street.
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1) the 600RR is the first bike in the super sport class with ABS maybe that's why the Ten Kate Hondas that have dominated Supersport racing for the last decade are getting caned

2) No one in the SSP class of the Superbike World Championship races with stock brakes, period actually the calipers and master cylinders are stock and the rotors have to be the same size and share a silhouette. Race pads are used, race spec braided hoses are fitted (without crossovers!) and a race spec brake fluid will be utilised.
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maybe that's why the Ten Kate Hondas
The Ten Kate Hondas don't have ABS. I was referring to street bikes when I made the ABS claim. The OP isn't buying a Ten Kate Honda. You do realize that not everyone that races 600RRs, races in the SSP World Championship

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The Ten Kate Hondas don't have ABS. I was referring to street bikes when I made the ABS claim. The OP isn't buying a Ten Kate Honda. You do realize that not everyone that races 600RRs, races in the SSP World Championship

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that's right, they don't!! The standard street bike does, so why don't they???? CAUSE IT DON'T WORK on the track!!!!!

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OP asked for bike suggestions for track use,
CBR600 put forward (great bike) with ABS as a positive enhancement.
I said "ABS aint worth a rub (on track)" if it was the teams with the money and resources to develop it would be using it- like Ten Kate.
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that wouldn't be biased would it

that's right, they don't!! The standard street bike does, so why don't they???? CAUSE IT DON'T WORK on the track!!!!!

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OP asked for bike suggestions for track use,
CBR600 put forward (great bike) with ABS as a positive enhancement.
I said "ABS aint worth a rub (on track)" if it was the teams with the money and resources to develop it would be using it- like Ten Kate.
you post a Honda link
Of course it's biased, it's from Honda's website. It's their quote, not mine. I was only using it as proof that Honda is the only manufacturer to offer ABS in a 600 supersport. The standard street bike (600RR) DOES NOT have ABS. Honda offered ABS in 2009 as a $1000 option in the US. You do realize this is a Houston, Texas forum, right? Did you bother to click on the link? The ABS model also weighs 22lbs more, that might be another reason Ten Kate doesn't use it, but like I said, there are other races for 600cc bikes besides the World Championships. It does work on the track because riders are racing with it and winning.
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Patrick, what is it you don't like about the big piston forks on the zx6r? I am planning to buy one.
I've heard a few suspension folks who don't like the new system on the ZX... personally, I loved it in stock form and liked it better than the AK20's that are on that same bike now.

But that's just me, I admitedly don't know squat about how to build a proper suspension.
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Of course it's biased, it's from Honda's website. It's their quote, not mine. I was only using it as proof that Honda is the only manufacturer to offer ABS in a 600 supersport. The standard street bike (600RR) DOES NOT have ABS. Honda offered ABS in 2009 as a $1000 option in the US. You do realize this is a Houston, Texas forum, right? Did you bother to click on the link? The ABS model also weighs 22lbs more, that might be another reason Ten Kate doesn't use it, but like I said, there are other races for 600cc bikes besides the World Championships. It does work on the track because riders are racing with it and winning.


oh my bad,
I didn't realise that Honda build CBR's and ABS exclusively for the Houston market
WTF has that got to do with it????
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It does work on the track because riders are racing with it and winning.
I think that Mr Grinch is simply asking who that is (that is racing and winning with it), not that it doesn't exist.

I'm on the side that I don't think anyone is racing with it, except maybe some club racers- but I doubt it.

Of course I've done no research either...
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oh my bad,
I didn't realise that Honda build CBR's and ABS exclusively for the Houston market
WTF has that got to do with it????
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