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Old 07-28-2009, 04:10 PM   #41
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OP, others will state that there is only one way to do things correctly, don't believe them, do your research and make your own informed decision for yourself.

And FWIW, if you want to know exactly how well the locating system will work for you. Find a friend with a 3G or 3GS iPhone on T-Mobile. Zoombak systems run off T-Mobile systems. The locating system works exactly the same to that in the latest iphones or any other cellular device with A-GPS. Go climb in a UHaul truck, or in a parking garage, see how well it works for yourself.
i can back this up..i might not have 3g everywhere with my tmobile g1 phone, but the gps simply works everywhere so far.
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Patrick, the "1 bike not recovered in 72 hours" bit, surely that is only in the Houston area eh? Is that in the past year, 5 years, ever? How many bikes were recovered in that same time frame in the same geographical area as the 1 that got away?
That's in the Houston area in the amount of time Lojack has been offered here for bikes, about 3 years I think.
Also as an addendum to that, since the implementation of the Early Warning System on the Lojacks, the recovery rate at the last time I checked was 100%.

Question for you; What's the recovery rate for bikes WITHOUT Lojack?
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heres a thought. insurance will always work. 100% of the time. if a thief wants your bike its gone and i dont know if i want it back even if lowjack does recover it for me
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Only if the installing dealer is a dumbass enough to install it under the seat.....

Apparently though, I guess "real" thieves aren't stealing the bikes with Lojack, because only 1 hasn't been recovered within the 72 hour initial time period.
All of the rest were recovered.

Either that, or the unit is properly installed, hard wired into the harness and hidden properly, i.e. not in the trunk / under the seat.

AND, as I already stated, the one bike that wasn't recovered, a Hayabusa, had it's Lojack improperly installed directly to the battery by the dealer.
you can't hide the system and it's still wired up...anyone that knows what a bike looks like inside and out, then grabs a bike and strips it within minutes and don't say minutes lightly (two guys with simple tools can have a bike ripped apart in 30 minutes) will see it and already know...and im not KNOCKING the system as ryan is trying to do..im just saying there are tons of murders that go unsolved, the same with bike/car theft with or WITHOUT low jack
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heres a thought. insurance will always work. 100% of the time. if a thief wants your bike its gone and i dont know if i want it back even if lowjack does recover it for me
problem is insurance companys are getting tired of the pay outs and have been asking for more laws, like the new one of leaving your key in the bike and
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heres a thought. insurance will always work. 100% of the time. if a thief wants your bike its gone and i dont know if i want it back even if lowjack does recover it for me
Amen to that, Lojack is not a substitute for insurance, however even with Gap insurance, many times people are upside down with what they owe, and are left holding the bag.
I can only speak from Azylums and Mr. Cleans experience, but both were happy to get their bikes back, and the bikes were pretty unscathed / untouched.
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Amen to that, Lojack is not a substitute for insurance, however even with Gap insurance, many times people are upside down with what they owe, and are left holding the bag.
I can only speak from Azylums and Mr. Cleans experience, but both were happy to get their bikes back, and the bikes were pretty unscathed / untouched.
i argee with you 100% but to say that low jack will get your bike back 99% is like when they said the titanic couldn't sink
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you can't hide the system and it's still wired up...anyone that knows what a bike looks like inside and out, then grabs a bike and strips it within minutes and don't say minutes lightly (two guys with simple tools can have a bike ripped apart in 30 minutes) will see it and already know...and im not KNOCKING the system as ryan is trying to do..im just saying there are tons of murders that go unsolved, the same with bike/car theft with or WITHOUT low jack
True, given enough time / incentive it can be found, however, at least as of yet to date, they haven't shown much initiative to, hence the almost 100% recovery rate.
I'm sure at some point things will change, and at that time I'll do the best I can to find out what works best and to provide it.
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Amen to that, Lojack is not a substitute for insurance, however even with Gap insurance, many times people are upside down with what they owe, and are left holding the bag.
I can only speak from Azylums and Mr. Cleans experience, but both were happy to get their bikes back, and the bikes were pretty unscathed / untouched.
being upside down is a completly other topic but the fact is. nothing will stop a thief. so protect the way people have for years.
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i argee with you 100% but to say that low jack will get your bike back 99% is like when they said the titanic couldn't sink
I'm only going by their record of recovery, which leads my to believe the chances of future performance. No one can guarantee anything.
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True, given enough time / incentive it can be found, however, at least as of yet to date, they haven't shown much initiative to, hence the almost 100% recovery rate.
I'm sure at some point things will change, and at that time I'll do the best I can to find out what works best and to provide it.
im not/and can't argue the point that low jack is NOT the best offered out there at this time
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That's in the Houston area in the amount of time Lojack has been offered here for bikes, about 3 years I think.
Also as an addendum to that, since the implementation of the Early Warning System on the Lojacks, the recovery rate at the last time I checked was 100%.

Question for you; What's the recovery rate for bikes WITHOUT Lojack?
I am sure far less, I would be interested to know the recovery rate of motorcycles in the Houston area with various GPS locators installed on them, although I am sure no hard evidence exists on this.

Like I stated before, I am sure both are quite effective means. And there is no doubt that LoJack works well and has a good track record. But I think what holds many people back on the LoJack device is the upfront cost. Lowjack runs what, about $700 + tax installed. For many people that may be well over 10% of their bikes value. Or for instance those with insurance, if you have insurance, your deductible might be less than that of LoJack, and as klassik stated, If you have insurance, do you really even WANT your bike back after it's stolen.

I also am kinda split on the issue that LoJack not only sells the devices to customers at a substantial cost. I would bet the cost to actually manufacture the device is a fraction of the retail price, or for that matter a fraction of the cost price you pay. But not only that, LoJack then sells the locator devices to cities and departments as well, I do not know the exact cost to equip a vehicle with the necessary device to track the LoJack signal but I would be willing to bet its several times what 1 LoJack costs installed a consumer. And again, I am sure it is well above what it actually costs to manufacture that equipment. Our local police departments have to fork out government money to buy these devices as well. Do the police departments make any money from recovering your vehicle? I don't believe so.
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being upside down is a completly other topic but the fact is. nothing will stop a thief. so protect the way people have for years.

No one can be completely vigilant 100% of the time. It'd be a nice concept, but impractical.
Till something else works better, I'll support Lojack.
My 2 cents, YMMV.
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I am sure far less, I would be interested to know the recovery rate of motorcycles in the Houston area with various GPS locators installed on them, although I am sure no hard evidence exists on this.

Like I stated before, I am sure both are quite effective means. And there is no doubt that LoJack works well and has a good track record. But I think what holds many people back on the LoJack device is the upfront cost. Lowjack runs what, about $700 + tax installed. For many people that may be well over 10% of their bikes value. Or for instance those with insurance, if you have insurance, your deductible might be less than that of LoJack, and as klassik stated, If you have insurance, do you really even WANT your bike back after it's stolen.

I also am kinda split on the issue that LoJack not only sells the devices to customers at a substantial cost. I would bet the cost to actually manufacture the device is a fraction of the retail price, or for that matter a fraction of the cost price you pay. But not only that, LoJack then sells the locator devices to cities and departments as well, I do not know the exact cost to equip a vehicle with the necessary device to track the LoJack signal but I would be willing to bet its several times what 1 LoJack costs installed a consumer. Our local police departments have to fork out government money to buy these devices as well. Do the police departments make any money from recovering your vehicle? I don't believe so.

ok but your buying the product and the service at ONCE, no monthly bs..so if you bought your bike, had low jack installed and you owned your bike for 10+ years and low jack got your bike back then it was well worth it


thats there job and do they make money back? well i remember reading on stuntlife that some peoples got caught stealing bikes and did 2 years jail(still doing time i think) and pay like $50,000 in restitution
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I am sure far less, I would be interested to know the recovery rate of motorcycles in the Houston area with various GPS locators installed on them, although I am sure no hard evidence exists on this.

Like I stated before, I am sure both are quite effective means. And there is no doubt that LoJack works well and has a good track record. But I think what holds many people back on the LoJack device is the upfront cost. Lowjack runs what, about $700 + tax installed. For many people that may be well over 10% of their bikes value. Or for instance those with insurance, if you have insurance, your deductible might be less than that of LoJack, and as klassik stated, If you have insurance, do you really even WANT your bike back after it's stolen.

I also am kinda split on the issue that LoJack not only sells the devices to customers at a substantial cost. I would bet the cost to actually manufacture the device is a fraction of the retail price, or for that matter a fraction of the cost price you pay. But not only that, LoJack then sells the locator devices to cities and departments as well, I do not know the exact cost to equip a vehicle with the necessary device to track the LoJack signal but I would be willing to bet its several times what 1 LoJack costs installed a consumer. Our local police departments have to fork out government money to buy these devices as well. Do the police departments make any money from recovering your vehicle? I don't believe so.
You're kinda going off on a tangent, but I'll try to address some of your points.

I have no idea what it costs to produce a Lojack, but I'm sure the mark up from the manufacturer to the installer is probably pretty good.
No different than the mark up on an I Phone or any other electronic item is.

My cost from Lojack is fairly hefty, and I also discount Lojack significantly below MSRP because I'm trying to make it accessible, not because I'm trying to get rich selling the system.

While we're talking about profit though, when did making a buck become a bad thing?
How do you think companies afford to pay their employees?

Lastly, if you want to be a social crusader against frivolous Government spending, I'm more than certain you can easily find more wasteful items than a theft recovery unit in a police vehicle that enables the officer to do his job better.
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ok but your buying the product and the service at ONCE, no monthly bs..so if you bought your bike, had low jack installed and you owned your bike for 10+ years and low jack got your bike back then it was well worth it
No doubt, and I never said it wouldn't be a good deal. But there is a substantial upfront cost. It's a trade off. for tat. 1 for the other. Like I said previously, gotta look at the info, and make your own decision on what works for you the customer.

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thats there job and do they make money back? well i remember reading on stuntlife that some peoples got caught stealing bikes and did 2 years jail(still doing time i think) and pay like $50,000 in restitution
I would think the restitution goes to the owner of the bike, not the PD, no? And yes, that may be there job, but if they weren't doing that they would be doing something else. Does a police officer get a bonus when he finds a stolen car/bike and returns it to it's rightful owner? Not likely.

LoJack is out there to make money, fair enough, I understand, but they are pulling from both sides of the equation. I really would be interested in knowing the cost to equip one police vehicle with lojack detection vs the cost of manufacturing that equipment. From what I have read, there are many small towns out there, that still cannot afford the equipment.
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No doubt, and I never said it wouldn't be a good deal. But there is a substantial upfront cost. It's a trade off. for tat. 1 for the other. Like I said previously, gotta look at the info, and make your own decision on what works for you the customer.



I would think the restitution goes to the owner of the bike, not the PD, no? And yes, that may be there job, but if they weren't doing that they would be doing something else. Does a police officer get a bonus when he finds a stolen car/bike and returns it to it's rightful owner? Not likely.

LoJack is out there to make money, fair enough, I understand, but they are pulling from both sides of the equation. I really would be interested in knowing the cost to equip one police vehicle with lojack detection vs the cost of manufacturing that equipment. From what I have read, there are many small towns out there, that still cannot afford the equipment.

thats still part of there job, when i was a supervisor in the plants, and someone didn't show up to work and i had to do MY JOB PLUS PICK UP THE SLACK OF THE GUY THAT DIDN'T SHOW UP? did i ever get a bonus? oh no cause i was doing my job.
low jack would make it easier for a cop to do his job.
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You're kinda going off on a tangent, but I'll try to address some of your points.

I have no idea what it costs to produce a Lojack, but I'm sure the mark up from the manufacturer to the installer is probably pretty good.
No different than the mark up on an I Phone or any other electronic item is.

My cost from Lojack is fairly hefty, and I also discount Lojack significantly below MSRP because I'm trying to make it accessible, not because I'm trying to get rich selling the system.

While we're talking about profit though, when did making a buck become a bad thing?
How do you think companies afford to pay their employees?

Lastly, if you want to be a social crusader against frivolous Government spending, I'm more than certain you can easily find more wasteful items than a theft recovery unit in a police vehicle that enables the officer to do his job better.
You are correct and valid, and yes I went off on a tangent on that. But there is cities out there that cannot afford the systems to find LoJack equipped stolen vehicles. And then again, there are plenty of places, especially in TX with lots of open areas, to take a vehicle to where it is nowhere a commonly patrolled area if the police there even have the system.

Like I said, both things are surely great products, and they both have their strengths and weakness and advantages and disadvantages to various consumers, but there is no END ALL solution.
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like apple iphones? it cost them MAYBE $5 to actually make the phone, but do the R&D of touch screen and paying people to make it a solid phone and a bugzilla team in case comes up...that cost of the $500 phone goes to that stuff also
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You are correct and valid, and yes I went off on a tangent on that. But there is cities out there that cannot afford the systems to find LoJack equipped stolen vehicles. And then again, there are plenty of places, especially in TX with lots of open areas, to take a vehicle to where it is nowhere a commonly patrolled area if the police there even have the system.

Like I said, both things are surely great products, and they both have their strengths and weakness and advantages and disadvantages to various consumers, but there is no END ALL solution.
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