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Old 07-27-2009, 10:26 AM   #21
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Maybe. I love this mindset, why make something better, it already works for the most part.

If everyone followed that mentality we might all still be running around the track on cafe racers.
I'm certain people much smarter than either you or I at Lowjack have explored the option of using GPS and decided there were no benefits from implementing it.

FWIW, the one bike not recovered within the 72 hour period WAS later recovered along with several other bikes. Upon investigation, it was determined that the system was improperly installed directly to the battery, and had been mounted under the passenger seat, so the thieves just disabled it at the same time they disbled the guys alarm.

Oh, and how was the bike discovered / recovered? One of the other bikes had Lojack.
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What is the difference between locating this thing in your trunk and it working vs. a bike being put in a U-Haul?

I agree - it shouldn't be hard to incorporate all of these technologies together.


Some people think line of sight is a REQUIREMENT for GPS signal, this is not true, line of site will provide the best signal strength, but it is still very possible to get GPS signal without line of site.
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GPS won't work if it's in a storage building or even in a U-Haul truck.

Lowjack with early warning alerts you as soon as the bike has been taken.

Lowjack is the ONLY system used by the police directly, and in Houston has a 97% recovery rate in the first 24 hours and a 99% recovery rate PERIOD.

GPS systems require a monthly monitoring fee. Lowjack does not.

I really don't understand the resistance to Lowjack by some people.
It's a proven system, it's the only one used by law enforcement, there's no monthly fees, and it flat works.
So what is the yearly cost on LoJack for comparison? I'm just curious.

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Look at it this way; you can HOPE that your GPS A signal will work, or you can know that you've got an almost 100% chance of getting your bike back.
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I'm certain people much smarter than either you or I at Lowjack have explored the option of using GPS and decided there were no benefits from implementing it.

FWIW, the one bike not recovered within the 72 hour period WAS later recovered along with several other bikes, upon investigation, it was determined that the system was improperly installed directly to the battery, and had been mounted under the passenger seat, so the thieves just disabled it at the same time they disbled the guys alarm.

Oh, and how was the bike discovered / recovered? One of the other bikes had Lojack.
Patrick I know LowJack works quite well, I also know you are a authorized LowJack dealer and selling and installing LowJack puts food on your table and money in your wallet. The OP expressed interest in another system, he by all means has the right to explore his options, no need imply to him that LowJack is the ONLY answer for protection, because while it may be a very good one, it is certainly not the only means of protection.

you want a kick bike, install lowjack, zoomback, and a two-way alarm. But it still can be stolen, and still can be not recovered. Comprehensive insurance for your motorcycle FTW.
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So what is the yearly cost on LoJack for comparison? I'm just curious.

There is NO monthly / yearly or any other cost other than the initial purchase and installation.


See here:

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I did ask for opinions - and these are exactly the opinions I was looking for.

The issue has continually been cost.

If the zoomback is half the price per year of the LoJack, then it might end up in some bikes that would otherwise be unprotected.

The bike that sparked this interest is not a high dollar investment, but is very important none the less. It might not warrant the LowJack, but the zoomback would be a good alternative.

I like the fact that the zoomback can be tracked whenever I want to track it. Does the LoJack offer this?
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Patrick I know LowJack works quite well, I also know you are a authorized LowJack dealer and selling and installing LowJack puts food on your table and money in your wallet. The OP expressed interest in another system, he by all means has the right to explore his options, no need imply to him that LowJack is the ONLY answer for protection, because while it may be a very good one, it is certainly not the only means of protection.

you want a kick bike, install lowjack, zoomback, and a two-way alarm. But it still can be stolen, and still can be not recovered. Comprehensive insurance for your motorcycle FTW.
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You miss the point, as usual.

I sell Lowjack because I believe in the system, and it works, not just because I can sell it.
It's why I choose NOT to be a vendor for several of the GPS based monitoring sytems out there, because I don't have faith in their systems.

Anyone who knows me knows I do not promote a product unless I believe in it, and have at times lost a sale on a product, because I did not believe in it.


I saw someone posting inaccurate information on Lowjack and I addresed it.

Yep, everyone has their freedom to choose. That's what this country is all about.

I'm just making sure FACTS and RESULTS are used, not half truths and best guesses by people with no practical experience with either system.
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I did ask for opinions - and these are exactly the opinions I was looking for.

The issue has continually been cost.

If the zoomback is half the price per year of the LoJack, then it might end up in some bikes that would otherwise be unprotected.

The bike that sparked this interest is not a high dollar investment, but is very important none the less. It might not warrant the LowJack, but the zoomback would be a good alternative.

I like the fact that the zoomback can be tracked whenever I want to track it. Does the LoJack offer this?

Another angle I took with the zoomback, was family, if you go out riding, whether it be country roads, or off road, if you go down or get lost or whatever, say you hadn't gotten back, or you didn't call, and maybe something happened, a family member could log onto zoomback and see where your at and get help to you.
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No, Lojack only uses law enforcement to track vehicles.

It's sole purpose is Theft Recovery.
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I saw someone posting inaccurate information on Lowjack and I addresed it.
Where was inaccurate information posted about lowjack in this thread?
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Fair enough, I thought you were referring to my posts.
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Yes - I didn't realize that LoJack would notify you if your vehicle was moved. I thought you had to report it stolen before it was activated.
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I like the multi purpose of zoomback. I can drop it in the kids backback for their camping trip, I can leave it in the car when it's at the airport for a week. I can locate my bike after it was towed at the theater. My GPS (Tomtom) works in my garage, and so does my tmobile cell so those additional uses make zoomback a justifiable family investment. Lojack is unbeaten for it's intended purpose of theft recovery, but I would be more interested in tracking my missing property myself and calling the cops when I already know where it's located. Or, skip that step all together as the circumstances warrant.
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just to let everyone know about a fact of LOWJACK is that a real thief knows what it looks like... you can google search images for it...it's not a hard system to find at all...ya lowjack is good for maybe some dumb thief, but a real thief knows exactly what to look for and before they make the grab they'd have the seat off with a 8mm socket or a 5m allen and cutting that out and throwing it into a river.
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just to let everyone know about a fact of LOWJACK is that a real thief knows what it looks like... you can google search images for it...it's not a hard system to find at all...ya lowjack is good for maybe some dumb thief, but a real thief knows exactly what to look for and before they make the grab they'd have the seat off with a 8mm socket or a 5m allen and cutting that out and throwing it into a river.
Only if the installing dealer is a dumbass enough to install it under the seat.....

Apparently though, I guess "real" thieves aren't stealing the bikes with Lojack, because only 1 hasn't been recovered within the 72 hour initial time period.
All of the rest were recovered.

Either that, or the unit is properly installed, hard wired into the harness and hidden properly, i.e. not in the trunk / under the seat.

AND, as I already stated, the one bike that wasn't recovered, a Hayabusa, had it's Lojack improperly installed directly to the battery by the dealer.

How was that determined?
It was determined after it was recovered with 7 other bikes at a storage facility.
Oh, and the reason it was recovered along with the other 7 bikes?
One of the other bikes had Lojack, but that one was installed properly, and I guess the "real thieves" that disabled the Hayabusa one must have missed this one in their thief training handbook..
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Want some more accurate results, not hearsay, misinformation or b/s?
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Only if the installing dealer is a dumbass enough to install it under the seat.....

Apparently though, I guess "real" thieves aren't stealing the bikes with Lojack, because only 1 hasn't been recovered within the 72 hour initial time period.
All of the rest were recovered.

Either that, or the unit is properly installed, hard wired into the harness and hidden properly, i.e. not in the trunk / under the seat.

AND, as I already stated, the one bike that wasn't recovered, a Hayabusa, had it's Lojack improperly installed directly to the battery by the dealer.

How was that determined?
It was determined after it was recovered with 7 other bikes at a storage facility.
Oh, and the reason it was recovered along with the other 7 bikes?
One of the other bikes had Lojack, but that one was installed properly, and I guess the "real thieves" that disabled the Hayabusa one must have missed this one in their thief training handbook..
Patrick, the "1 bike not recovered in 72 hours" bit, surely that is only in the Houston area eh? Is that in the past year, 5 years, ever? How many bikes were recovered in that same time frame in the same geographical area as the 1 that got away? I am also assuming this is just bikes. Got any info on lowjack as a whole, cars included? I am assuming alot more cars get stolen with LoJack then bikes with LoJack, no?
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