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Old 07-24-2009, 02:07 PM   #1
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racers; how long did ur stock suspension work for u?

to the racers; i'm curious if any of you have raced with ur bike's stock suspension? have any of u guys kept the stock on ur bike because u felt like it performed fine? or do all of u guys upgrade? my bike's suspension feels fine at the moment, it's been track set up. since then i haven't had any pucker moments. however, i'm all about goin faster and push myself and the bike to go faster. so i'm curious if anyone has just maintained their original set up.

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Old 07-24-2009, 02:26 PM   #2
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Tried my first season on stock and realized immediately I needed to invest some coin.
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I am 6"5' 250lbs. My stock suspension worked for me until I was running 1:48's at MSRH and 2 flats at TWS (Texas World Speedway). Then I upgraded. I ride with more confidence now which in turn creates far better lap times.
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Stock works OK until you start getting faster. Very few bikes can have correct damping to go fast w/ the springs they have in them.

It is well worth the money not to be caught out by bad suspension, or bad tires for that matter.
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I am 6"5' 250lbs. My stock suspension worked for me until I was running 2 flats at TWS (Texas World Speedway). .

Really? I'm only 230lbs and there's more than 1 turn at TWS (Texas World Speedway) that I complete sack out the stock suspension (besides the gravity bowl, obviously) and I'm running more like 2:20s.
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Really? I'm only 230lbs and there's more than 1 turn at TWS (Texas World Speedway) that I complete sack out the stock suspension (besides the gravity bowl, obviously) and I'm running more like 2:20s.
yup. on an 05 R6. Then it became a safety issue for me.
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Im not a racer, so take my words for what they are worth

I can run sub 1:40 laps at msrh with stock suspension.

But im 5'7" 135#

I do bottom out the forks when braking in, but im comfortable with it. Pushing the front isnt a bad feeling for me, its easier to control than losing the rear.


If you is set propperly and you bottom the forks out, id say its time to upgrade.
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Old 07-24-2009, 03:04 PM   #8
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sub 1:40 wtf clayton

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I think he meant sub 1:50......
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my novice year i raced a 99 r6 on stock suspension with a slip on exhaust. it was good for 53s at TWS (Texas World Speedway). but i spent money my first expert year on a 636 and got jim cambora to build me his suspension. really hated the bike and only got into 51s at TWS (Texas World Speedway). then i got my bone stock 06 r6 and ran 50s at TWS (Texas World Speedway). bought the ak20s and penske triple for the rear and the best time i have done is 48s there. i dont know much about suspension i just bought it bc i was told i needed it. but to be honest with you i dunno if it did anything for me. i think for me it was more of a confidence builder. lol just my opinion. but like somebody else posted its worth spending the money on suspension compared to replacing a bike bc its not feeling right to you
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^^^all excellent info gents

i think i'm gonna run stock a little longer; until i get a lil faster
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i can probably run near the same times on my gsxr with or without suspension as long as it's setup properly.....with the suspension it just feels easier and more comfortable......i guess i'm gonna go with everyone else's vote and say it's more of a confidence thing, which in turn yields better lap times.

my sv650 however, i wouldn't dare do the same times as i am running now with stock suspension. some bikes come with better suspension than others....just make sure it's set up to at least be in the ballpark.

i'll tell you this though, i can definately tell the difference between stock and aftermarket suspension if you put two identical bikes next to each other (besides suspension) and tell me to ride em both. but as a newer track rider, you may not be able to tell the difference. and i'm not blowing smoke up your , just tryin to help you save a few bucks.
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i think i'm gonna run stock a little longer; until i get a lil faster
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I said and meant sub 1:40. Ill gladly take a transponder next time if someone wants to compare size. I got $500 saying i put down consecutive 39s.
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Or, tony, alonso, dustinJ and some others can back me up on that.
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I said and meant sub 1:40. Ill gladly take a transponder next time if someone wants to compare size. I got $500 saying i put down consecutive 39s.
From lookin at his trackday pics, I believe it....

not really concerned about the size though
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i can probably run near the same times on my gsxr with or without suspension as long as it's setup properly.....with the suspension it just feels easier and more comfortable......i guess i'm gonna go with everyone else's vote and say it's more of a confidence thing, which in turn yields better lap times.

my sv650 however, i wouldn't dare do the same times as i am running now with stock suspension. some bikes come with better suspension than others....just make sure it's set up to at least be in the ballpark.

i'll tell you this though, i can definately tell the difference between stock and aftermarket suspension if you put two identical bikes next to each other (besides suspension) and tell me to ride em both. but as a newer track rider, you may not be able to tell the difference. and i'm not blowing smoke up your , just tryin to help you save a few bucks.
at the moment, it's set up for track and so far it feels fine. sturdy through long sweepers and solid through quick dip leans. i felt the difference with having it set up for the st and then for the track. it was night and day. and i set it up for track when i realized i out rode the street set up. i had 4 pucker moments in 1 lap at msr. it was crazy

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I said and meant sub 1:40. Ill gladly take a transponder next time if someone wants to compare size. I got $500 saying i put down consecutive 39s.
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For many years one of the support races at BSB (British SuperBike) rounds was the R6 Cup.
This was a one make series on a control road legal tyre, the Dunlop 207RR followed by the 208RR.
Standard road bikes were fitted with race bodywork and a "race" silencer, that was pretty much it, no after market suspension was allowed. You picked the key to a bike out of a hat!
Entry was open to under 21's I think it was and first prize was a brand new R6roadbike and a season on the factory Virgin Yamaha Superbike in BSB!

Cal Crutchlow (leading the WSS championship as we speak) and Brendan Roberts (European Superstock champion with Xerox Ducati & now WSBK) are 2 names to come from it.

These guys used to put down some incredible lap times and there are many club racers on tuned and significantly better machinery that even today with the latest DOT race tyres can't get near those times!
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Standard road bikes were fitted with race bodywork and a "race" silencer, that was pretty much it, no after market suspension was allowed.

These guys used to put down some incredible lap times and there are many club racers on tuned and significantly better machinery that even today with the latest DOT race tyres can't get near those times!
Yeah, but "no aftermarket suspension" can mean lots of things... I'd be shocked (pun intended...) if they didn't do shim stack, spring, valving, and fluid mods/ swaps and other cartridge work with stock components. If that is the case then their suspension is really not "stock".

I think the OP is talking about a suspension that has the factory springs/ cartridge components/ fluid, etc.

To the OP, I seem to remember Garreth Spear racing on a stock suspension for quite a while as did Alonzo Contreras. Both of those guys were rippin' it up very well.

As stated before though, each rider is unique in regard to skill and ability to control the motorcycle, so those guys may be anomalies.

Personally, I haven't raced/ ridden track on a stock suspension since the late 80's (and looking back, boy was that an experience by comparison). I really love the way a well tuned and built suspension works. Modern talented builders can do some amazing things- my bike's suspension seems to get better the faster I go and as mentioned, what a confidence builder that is.

I've also ridden on friend's bikes (like a Daytona 675 and a 600RR, as well as a few Duc's and Ape's but I don't really call their Ohlins a "stock" suspension) with stock suspensions and they performed extremely well. Mark Niemi's '09 ZX5R was one of the most amazing bikes I've ever ridden in stock form! There is no doubt that these days stock suspension technology has grown by leaps and bounds to the point that you can near take them off the showroom and take them to the grid.
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