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Old 07-28-2009, 05:26 PM   #21
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start racing CMRA, you will have backmarkers. they can be used as strategy or can ruin your strategy.

doesn't matter if it's club racing or pro racing....there will always be backmarkers. everyone's gotta start somewhere.

for those of you that are on backmarkers....i used to be one, and so have many other fast guys. doesn't matter if you're racing for 1st or battling for last place....you're still racing and that's what it's about. my hat goes off to the backmarkers, because it takes just as much dedication and motivation to be out there racing. they might not be winning the gold, but they are winners at heart for being there....i would give anything to be a backmarker in the AMA right now or any other pro racing for the matter....because it's another accomplishment that many cannot achieve. a lot of speculations going on without empathy. your opinion has no value if you've never experienced it.

if i paid to be there, i'm not going anywhere if you take my money.
Agreed!

Not to point fingers or call anyone out, but a few of our really fast (I will never touch) guys have gone there and had some issues that if given time and equipment would go a lot better I'm sure. I certainly cheer for the guys bringing up the rear. I remember a time when I didn't know or hear the name Dominguez or Howard. These guys seemed to explode and take over. What's not to say they can't go there and do the same.

Like Tony's, this is a general answer
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Old 07-28-2009, 05:30 PM   #22
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...and another thing, I'm not sure if this has anything to do with JRP and his incident, but Mladin lost some cool points with me. On one hand he goes on and on about the antics of the DMG, (which I supported) then on the other he says that AL L was way too soft on JRP, he would have beem worse. Guess it's only for the "Elite" that Mat speaks for...
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i forgot to disclaimer, i wasn't directing my comment to anyone in particular...just wanna say it in general.

you guys see a lot of new racers Tom, and i'm sure you guys can judge their license school as to where they will place in the pack of a race, and i'm also sure you guys see the biggest smiles from the slower guys along with the faster guys.

people's comments about backmarkers and slower riders discourage others from trying to go out and race. i encourage everyone to go out, fast or slow....sign up for the race license with LSTD and get out there and race. it's a lot of fun, and we all gotta start somewhere. i was just as happy being a backmarker as i am a leader of the race.
Absolutely not my intention to discourage anyone; when i started this thread I had just watch a race with PRO RIDERS where the guy in the back just would not get the out of way, which possibly affected the results of the race. I was just thinking that at that level of competition, all the riders should be competitive. Of course when you are racing at the club level there are going to be brand new racers at the end of the pack. I hope to start, my self, and suspect that I will probably be in that spot.
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:51 PM   #24
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Absolutely not my intention to discourage anyone; when i started this thread I had just watch a race with PRO RIDERS where the guy in the back just would not get the out of way, which possibly affected the results of the race. I was just thinking that at that level of competition, all the riders should be competitive. Of course when you are racing at the club level there are going to be brand new racers at the end of the pack. I hope to start, my self, and suspect that I will probably be in that spot.
and it goes the same for pro racing. club level is just an entry level to fun or pro riding. nothing beats experience....as i've said, i was once a backmarker in the CMRA, and if i hadn't started before, i probably wouldn't be where i'm at now. you gotta be in it to win it.

it's kinda like high schools playing in city, before going regional, then national....gotta work your way up the ranks.
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and it goes the same for pro racing. club level is just an entry level to fun or pro riding. nothing beats experience....as i've said, i was once a backmarker in the CMRA, and if i hadn't started before, i probably wouldn't be where i'm at now. you gotta be in it to win it.

it's kinda like high schools playing in city, before going regional, then national....gotta work your way up the ranks.
10-4, thanks for the info. I simply didn't know, and that was the reason that I started the thread. I certainly wasn't trying to be insulting or just talk .
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start racing CMRA, you will have backmarkers. they can be used as strategy or can ruin your strategy.

doesn't matter if it's club racing or pro racing....there will always be backmarkers. everyone's gotta start somewhere.

for those of you that are on backmarkers....i used to be one, and so have many other fast guys. doesn't matter if you're racing for 1st or battling for last place....you're still racing and that's what it's about. my hat goes off to the backmarkers, because it takes just as much dedication and motivation to be out there racing. they might not be winning the gold, but they are winners at heart for being there....i would give anything to be a backmarker in the AMA right now or any other pro racing for the matter....because it's another accomplishment that many cannot achieve. a lot of speculations going on without empathy. your opinion has no value if you've never experienced it.

if i paid to be there, i'm not going anywhere if you take my money.
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casey stoner was a backmarker in brno last weekend.
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i forgot to disclaimer, i wasn't directing my comment to anyone in particular...just wanna say it in general.

you guys see a lot of new racers Tom, and i'm sure you guys can judge their license school as to where they will place in the pack of a race, and i'm also sure you guys see the biggest smiles from the slower guys along with the faster guys.

people's comments about backmarkers and slower riders discourage others from trying to go out and race. i encourage everyone to go out, fast or slow....sign up for the race license with LSTD and get out there and race. it's a lot of fun, and we all gotta start somewhere. i was just as happy being a backmarker as i am a leader of the race.
Right on Tony, even if I did start to sprint again I won't be a pack leader- I've come to realize (actually a long time ago) that I personally just don't have the talent to be a cut-throat sprint racer and take the risks to ride up front for 8 laps. I'd be a backmarker fo sho

Now in endurance, that's where racers like me can shine- do some consistent laps, don't crash, and try not to get caught up in racing the dudes that are so much faster than you are. For that, there really are no "backmarkers" because unless you're Derek Wagnon, Gabe McClendon or Andy Galindo, everyone is a backmarker in endurance
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10-4, thanks for the info. I simply didn't know, and that was the reason that I started the thread. I certainly wasn't trying to be insulting or just talk .
i didn't take it that way, but just wanted others to know that being midpack or back of the pack is not a bad thing. it's just another experience that everybody needs to feel to make themselves better. at one point or another, you will be at the back of the pack....casey stoner anybody?
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You say Back Marker like it's a bad thing......
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all the riders should be competitive.
as long as you have factory efforts racing with privateers.............this is unlikely to happen.
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Hey Tom,
any clue as to why the CMRA doesn't use the blue flag for sprints. It seems to me it would be safer for everyone. I've had bike issues before and ended up the backmarker just to retain points and looking back to stay out of the way sometimes was dangerous. The only problem I guess would be the fact that there are several races within a single race and you wouldn't want the leader of one class to slow down or move over to let another person by. But at least it would alert the riders that a faster bike was behind them.
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Hey Tom,
any clue as to why the CMRA doesn't use the blue flag for sprints. It seems to me it would be safer for everyone. I've had bike issues before and ended up the backmarker just to retain points and looking back to stay out of the way sometimes was dangerous. The only problem I guess would be the fact that there are several races within a single race and you wouldn't want the leader of one class to slow down or move over to let another person by. But at least it would alert the riders that a faster bike was behind them.
I don't know. When I worked for the SCCA Crash Team the SCCA officials used 'em. A LOT of them used them improperly too... almost like they just wanted to wave the flag...

Probably because the CMRA cornerworkers are almost always a different group of folks.
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I am a proud back marker and if you see my tail section, you'll know it's me. If I can't pass you, I will make sure you will have a hard time passing me.
If you removed the backmarker, then winning on points is useless because sometimes, you don't win the race but you can still win on points.
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