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Old 07-21-2009, 08:36 AM   #41
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I have typed at least 3 responses to this thread, but can't seem to hit the post reply button.

is telling me to be silent.

So I'll just say this... I come to the racers lounge to hear from fast people. And I know who is fast, and who is not.

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Old 07-21-2009, 08:39 AM   #42
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True,but much of the advice is and wholly different from "sound advice". And much of what isn't eventually gets whored up by those who don't race and seldom do track days.

I post PURE in the Off-Topic area; I stay the outta the stunt areas. Maybe it's asking too much, but I'd kind of expect those without at least some knowledge of the track and genuine experience to stay the outta the race forum.
Agreed! Unfortunately it has become a case of weeding out the bs. Those who have been here awhile generally know who they can trust when it comes to advice. The guys who are new here tend to suffer, I just hate to see the segregation in it all.
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True, but much of the advice is and wholly different from "sound advice".
And some of this comes from "actual" racers. There's plenty of fast people who do what they do, and don't have a fscking clue as to why they do it or the hard facts behind how it works. There's so much in this sport thats entirely subjective that there really isn't a good way to seperate the from the fact. Even making a super double secret section for racers wouldn't accomplish this.
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Agreed! Unfortunately it has become a case of weeding out the bs. Those who have been here awhile generally know who they can trust when it comes to advice. The guys who are new here tend to suffer, I just hate to see the segregation in it all.
What are you doing in here Gonzo? Everyone knows you don't race!!!
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And some of this comes from "actual" racers. There's plenty of fast people who do what they do, and don't have a fscking clue as to why they do it or the hard facts behind how it works. There's so much in this sport thats entirely subjective that there really isn't a good way to seperate the from the fact. Even making a super double secret section for racers wouldn't accomplish this.
This is mostly true. Additionally, most "actual" racers get tired of repeating themselves (it's hard enough when it's spoken word, but writing it over and over again? Please!) and then having non-racers bash what they say and pick it apart whilst looking for some magical key to speed via osmosis. Best and proper lines, body position, physics equations, blah, blah, blah. Truth is, 90% of most people's problems here can be solved with this generic response: "You need more seat time."
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Old 07-21-2009, 09:23 AM   #46
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Technically, Ive got a race license and have been in a race before, but I know of several guys who only do trackdays that ware faster than me and could teach me alot. I KNOW for a fact, Im not the only one in this position.
+1 but I have not actually "raced" yet!

I think this thread strikes at a very sensitive subject but opens the door to a real issue. Are trackheads and racers the same thing? The answer is yes in my opinion, but there are subtle differences. Speed has very little to do with it, i have seen both that were pretty bad and could give one another a run for their money any day of the week.

I realize now that dingleberry that started this thread was really talking about wasn't the difference between racers and trackheads but more about "hey i just want advise don't push anything on to me".... which I think is kinda silly but hey you know I hate the AMA / MotoGP commercials too but I can't seem to make them go away unless I DVR the races. Unfortunately, advertisement is a way of life and it isn't going away...

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Agreed! Unfortunately it has become a case of weeding out the bs. Those who have been here awhile generally know who they can trust when it comes to advice. The guys who are new here tend to suffer, I just hate to see the segregation in it all.
+++++1 you have got to pick folks you trust and figure out who is full of , that was the worst thing when I started last year! Luckily, I met up with some really senior guys and worked it out. I just don't see the difference between a trackhead and a racer other than the cash it takes to race every month. I have learned so much from both....
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The difference is simple. Racers Race.

By that I mean, just about every single race for several years straight.

Money be damned!!! I've been racing since 1996 pretty much non stop. A couple of those years I was w/o a friggin home. I lived at the shop on a futon.
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The difference is simple. Racers Race.

By that I mean, just about every single race for several years straight.

Money be damned!!! I've been racing since 1996 pretty much non stop. A couple of those years I was w/o a friggin home. I lived at the shop on a futon.
Exactly why folks don't get into racing....I have just as much fun going my own pace. I don't see the fun in living with no home just to race.
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I think this topic and the poll Chris posted could be moved to the "news and feedback" forum honestly- it doesn't have anything (really) to do with racing or track days either IMHO.

I think the forum descriptor for this forum says it all.

Yeah, we (meaning the track day org staff) do sell our organization, and we pay for that privilege. We also do a ton to promote the sport and this website, I think begrudging us (collectively) a bit of leeway with self-promotion is not much to ask. After all, everyone talks about their first taste of the trackpipe and where they got it, I think that is worth while to promote.

I personally have been making a conscious effort to curtail the "sales" in threads because I too tire of seeing it (even from myself). Sometimes there are threads that cause us to look at whether a response is useful and/ or necessary- sometimes I respond with a mention of what our org offers, sometimes I respond without mentioning it, and sometimes I don't respond at all.

Like Linz and Keith have mentioned, responding to the same questions and threads is tiresome. Most of the truly gifted instructors and racers/ track day riders I know don't even get on the internet let alone forums like this one.

I actually had a few in-depth conversations and PM's with a certain person on here who's initials (for the sake of anonymity) are Lindsey Leard about being a better participant in the "racer's forum" since he has such a depth of knowledge. Not to say who this anonymous person is on this forum, but I can say that it seems that he has either chosen to curtail other activities in this forum to be a better contributor as evidenced by some feedback about him and the things I've observed

While I may be guilty (real or perceived) of some of the accusations by the OP and others of the "problems" in this forum, I like to think of the major majority of my posts as helpful. Yeah, sometimes I get in to matches and arguements with folks, and that is an item I am aware of and work on, but by and large I think that most of the org's staff are there to help. Some only post shameless self-promotion, but again, that's a privilege that is paid for.

My vote on the poll was to keep it from being segregated- I see no real use in another forum/ sub-forum. But if it is the opinion of the users that it gets segregated so be it. You won't "cure" any of the "problems" (real or perceived) by doing it, it's an "all access" web site after all.

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Well, my last post was apperently deleted, so I will say this:

I will stay out of the racers lounge, since I don't race anymore, but, where should I go to post about trackdays, if the racers don't want me in here?
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Well, my last post was apperently deleted, so I will say this:

I will stay out of the racers lounge, since I don't race anymore, but, where should I go to post about trackdays, if the racers don't want me in here?
what did your last post say....post it again, i'll keep refreshing til they man handle your post again

i think the forum is fine the way it is.....things will get complicated quick otherwise.
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I think its fine the way it is. Lets just try to keep some of the BS out of it.
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Well, my last post was apperently deleted, so I will say this:

I will stay out of the racers lounge, since I don't race anymore, but, where should I go to post about trackdays, if the racers don't want me in here?
I dont think this reaction is anyone here's point. All of us, one of us.
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OK this thread is officially retarted.


I don't race, but i'll make threads in the racers lounge if I well please. And I'll reply to other non-racers threads that are posted in the racers lounge. You want to talk strickly about racing?? Go to the CMRA, CCS or WERA forum and have at it, theres A LOT more racers there.




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OK this thread is officially retarted.


I don't race, but i'll make threads in the racers lounge if I well please. And I'll reply to other non-racers threads that are posted in the racers lounge. You want to talk strickly about racing?? Go to the CMRA, CCS or WERA forum and have at it, theres A LOT more racers there.




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Has the Racer's Lounge become the new Circus.......


Man I miss that section.
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