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Old 07-19-2009, 07:06 PM   #1
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Recommended Reading?

So this weekend I was talking to my buddy at the track and he was giving me recommended reading on different theories and just different elements to make you perform better on the track. What have u guys read that totally opened up your mind and made you analyze your skills..

Twist the wrist is what he recommended.. im placing a big amazon order tonight so tell me what to add to my collection
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twist of the wrist two is supposed to be a revision of twist of the wrist one
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Yeah thats a good book, alot of common sence stuff in it, but its worth reading for sure.



Its all about seat time and talking to the fast guys.
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Its all about seat time and talking to the fast guys.
That right there is a good advise. Last time I went to TWS (Texas World Speedway), I got to pit with Tony HOP. We talked about two curves in TWS (Texas World Speedway), I was able to drop my times 7 seconds yesterday, applying what Tony told me.

You could also look at Keith Codes articles, now if you want to read a great inspirational story, you can read "the little engine that could"
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Yeah thats a good book, alot of common sence stuff in it, but its worth reading for sure.



Its all about seat time and talking to the fast guys.
I know thats why im not talking to you anymore



I kid you were my first instructor ever take that to your grave adam your the one that got me hooked..
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Its all about seat time and talking to the fast guys.
True, and I have a blast sitting around and bench racing with other guys/gals at the track. The bad thing is, unfortunately, much of the talk you get in the paddock is full of BS and slanted for their agenda. Ride with this trackday org.....ride these tires....I like these brakes....Most of the time your talking to someone that has ridden one type of motorcycle on a select few tracks, and in the grand sceme of things knows very little. I like reading and listening as much as possible. Take it all in and don't take it as the gospel. Compare it to stuff like what Kieth Code says in "Twist of the Wrist II". You might be surprised how much opinions vary.
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True, and I have a blast sitting around and bench racing with other guys/gals at the track. The bad thing is, unfortunately, much of the talk you get in the paddock is full of BS and slanted for their agenda. Ride with this trackday org.....ride these tires....I like these brakes....Most of the time your talking to someone that has ridden one type of motorcycle on a select few tracks, and in the grand sceme of things knows very little. I like reading and listening as much as possible. Take it all in and don't take it as the gospel. Compare it to stuff like what Kieth Code says in "Twist of the Wrist II". You might be surprised how much opinions vary.
I totally agree with you John... about listening to alot of uneducated experience...and I totally understand the concepts of seat time and being on the track ,hence the 3 tracks days in the last month and a half.. but the down time like now before school starts again in the fall... why not do something useful.. motorcycle riding isnt just a hobby anymore like it was when I was 16 and got my first street bike.. its a passion and im soaking it all in trying to learn the science ,theories and terminology behind it...
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I totally agree with you John... about listening to alot of uneducated experience...and I totally understand the concepts of seat time and being on the track ,hence the 3 tracks days in the last month and a half.. but the down time like now before school starts again in the fall... why not do something useful.. motorcycle riding isnt just a hobby anymore like it was when I was 16 and got my first street bike.. its a passion and im soaking it all in trying to learn the science ,theories and terminology behind it...

Looks like the addiction is in full swing!!
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True, and I have a blast sitting around and bench racing with other guys/gals at the track. The bad thing is, unfortunately, much of the talk you get in the paddock is full of BS and slanted for their agenda. Ride with this trackday org.....ride these tires....I like these brakes....Most of the time your talking to someone that has ridden one type of motorcycle on a select few tracks, and in the grand sceme of things knows very little. I like reading and listening as much as possible. Take it all in and don't take it as the gospel. Compare it to stuff like what Kieth Code says in "Twist of the Wrist II". You might be surprised how much opinions vary.
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I am still very new to this whole game and I can tell you I hear more BS than anything that is actually really good advise. The problem is that you have to know how to weed through the BS to get to the good data. I have found that the long terms guys are good points of reference. But that doesn't mean that other folks don't have good information for your bike or something your doing wrong. It is ok to listen but ask 5 people a question and you will more than likely get 5 responses to the same question. Who has the correct answer? Most often there is no correct answer but more of an opinion of what works well for each individual. Kind of like shoes in my opinion... who make the best basketball shoe? It is all about which shoe feels the best to you.

As John pointed out (and John knows his ) it is about listening and taking the advise but make sure you understand that it is an opinion and not a fact. I can tell you there are very few facts in this sport (other than the obvious like you fall it hurts, no gas bike wont run )....

I have personally read Twist the Wrist (1 and 2) and I learned a lot but I forgot it all the first time I hit the track... Simply no replacement for hands on instruction and seat time. Find someone you trust and respect to help with the big like tyre pressure, suspension, etc etc and figure the rest out by using your head. After all you are the one riding the bike and at the end of the day you have to live with what you decide is good advise
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The ONE book that tells it like it is is Kenny Roberts - Techniques of Motorcycle Roadracing. The Keef Code stuff is just kinda fluffy BS. IMHO. Still good for the total noob, but thats it.
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The ONE book that tells it like it is is Kenny Roberts - Techniques of Motorcycle Roadracing. The Keef Code stuff is just kinda fluffy BS. IMHO. Still good for the total noob, but thats it.
i agree with mr. hertell

read em all, listen to guys with EXPERIENCE....not guys who just go out there and go fast.

not everyone can explain how they go fast....some people just do it. what works for one person, may or may not work for you. just use any info you get as a baseline, then adjust to fit your riding style/skill level.
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I don't read . I ask questions of the fast guys then I actually try what they suggest.

And I don't blame my bike.

And when the movie comes out...I'll watch it.

Oh yea..and I listen to rap music before I ride. That's the key.
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True, and I have a blast sitting around and bench racing with other guys/gals at the track. The bad thing is, unfortunately, much of the talk you get in the paddock is full of BS and slanted for their agenda. Ride with this trackday org.....ride these tires....I like these brakes....
That's BS John and you know it

The real answer is that as long as you attend Lone Star Track Days, riding Bridgestone Tires, with Vesrah Brake pads, you'll learn more than anyone else on other tires and brakes

Seriously, if you check out some of the literature that's out there- I've seen a good selection in Barnes & Noble and other book stores, read as much as you can.

Taking instructional courses too at the track days or at Keith Code's school, Star School, Schwantz, etc. Even remedial work in basic or novice level classes can be very beneficial.

One of the things I learned long ago (not even in regard to motorcycles or racing but certainly applies) is that if you think you've got nothing to learn, you need to hang it up. Keep learning every day and be a real student of the sport, you'll reward yourself with more fun and excitement in the long run!

Read it all, talk to 'em all, and do it all
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i agree with mr. hertell

read em all, listen to guys with EXPERIENCE....not guys who just go out there and go fast.

not everyone can explain how they go fast....some people just do it. what works for one person, may or may not work for you. just use any info you get as a baseline, then adjust to fit your riding style/skill level.
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Well, that's the problem right there!


Hip-hop music.....




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Listen to and follow the old guys on slow bikes that just disappear from you. That's worth more than most books when it comes to actually riding the bike. It's why I specifically excluded "riding techniques" from track day book. Fast guys on fast bikes won't help you much, esp. if they're flying the hottest/newest stuff out there. Buy a slow bike and learn to use what it's got. Your sv is a great choice. Slow enough to not let you make up for lack of skill with throttle, and good enough to provide a challenge to yourself as you learn. Plus, it can be made into a giant killer a la what Falt does every race with his. Listen to the instructors when they talk about the guys with mega-liter bikes that just park it in the corners. It's generally not kind, and they're the ones that never seem to learn how to get smoother and better. You never have to apologize for being slower on a slow bike, but you sure can crow when you're faster on a slow bike.

Be comfortable on the bike, spend time making it solid mechanically, and set up for you in terms of ergonomics/suspension. It's tough to learn when the bike is working against you and making you lose confidence.

Bring the right gear so you're comfortable, sufficiently watered, fed reasonably, and not constantly running around doing other stuff all the time. It's tough to remember all the stuff you want to talk about and learn from the instructors and other "fast guys" when you're hot, tired, dehydrated, hungry(or worse, nauseous), sore, and you still have to futz with something in your pits.

The books already mentioned are a good start to at least get some of the terminology down, and to start thinking in the right direction. But I've never found a book that helped me more than somebody following me and telling me straight up that I sucked in one section, and that I should try something new at 4/10ths pace until I'm comfortable doing it.

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