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Old 07-17-2009, 10:20 PM   #1
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MGP Back to 1000cc??

http://www.gpone.com/news/News.asp?NNews=4799

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Ezpeleta confirmed: Dorna and Msma think the Moto1. Perhaps by 2010
Carmelo Ezpeleta confirmed the anticipation of Gpone: Dorna and Msma, that is the organizer of the Motorcycle, and the association that brings together the manufacturers, are considering the possibility of introducing in MotoGP Montino means that an engine displacement of 1000, derived from the series . That is, drive units that are not born as prototypes, but they become. All this, with a goal: save money.

"There is a contract with the Msma not to change the current technical regulations up to 2011 inclusive," said the managing director of the Catalan society, in an interview published today in Corriere dello Sport. "But we are in an emergency situation, we fight for survival, so I asked them to investigate this possibility, perhaps even from the next season. (...) There will be a technical regulation to match the performance of the existing 800cc engines. The thousand should not prevail, because the solution will be to run a larger number of pilots. "

Again according Carmelo Ezpeleta, Moto1 of 1000 will be sold, not leased. The idea, originally, is Vito Ippolito, President of the FIM.
Protests on the part of those managing the World SBK? "But no" answers Ezpeleta. "Also because the homes will be declared if prepared in a certain way, their engine can be considered the prototype or not."

Next to Donington, where the parties involved will meet again to discuss the case.
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Old 07-17-2009, 10:26 PM   #2
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Sooo, the engines will be based on production 1k motors, but then modified to holy ? That's sorta what it sounds like.


Somewhere, in a land far away.. Team WCM is weeping in the night.
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http://www.gpone.com/news/News.asp?NNews=4799

Google Translation (any Italians here able to provide a more legible translation?

Ezpeleta confirmed: Dorna and Msma think the Moto1. Perhaps by 2010
Carmelo Ezpeleta confirmed the anticipation of Gpone: Dorna and Msma, that is the organizer of the Motorcycle, and the association that brings together the manufacturers, are considering the possibility of introducing in MotoGP Montino means that an engine displacement of 1000, derived from the series . That is, drive units that are not born as prototypes, but they become. All this, with a goal: save money.

"There is a contract with the Msma not to change the current technical regulations up to 2011 inclusive," said the managing director of the Catalan society, in an interview published today in Corriere dello Sport. "But we are in an emergency situation, we fight for survival, so I asked them to investigate this possibility, perhaps even from the next season. (...) There will be a technical regulation to match the performance of the existing 800cc engines. The thousand should not prevail, because the solution will be to run a larger number of pilots. "

Again according Carmelo Ezpeleta, Moto1 of 1000 will be sold, not leased. The idea, originally, is Vito Ippolito, President of the FIM.
Protests on the part of those managing the World SBK? "But no" answers Ezpeleta. "Also because the homes will be declared if prepared in a certain way, their engine can be considered the prototype or not."

Next to Donington, where the parties involved will meet again to discuss the case.

I can't make head or tail of that
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Sooo, the engines will be based on production 1k motors, but then modified to holy ? That's sorta what it sounds like.


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Sooo, the engines will be based on production 1k motors, but then modified to holy ? That's sorta what it sounds like.
Is that not what WSB is? Surely MotoGP will not become like WSB and will remain with one off prototype bikes.
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Is that not what WSB is? Surely MotoGP will not become like WSB and will remain with one off prototype bikes.

From what it sounds like though.. it would start with a production machine then the sky's the limit on mods.. So basically it could turn into a prototype machine.

WSBK is prototype with very strict rules on what you can and can't modify.


I think they could still be very 2 very distinct series(eseseses).

Again, that was just my interpretation and speculation of a very badly translated press release.

but if it's true, then we won't be seeing any cool V5 engines any more :(
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Can't see them going to a "spec" engine or a production style engine. Somehow I don't think the engine is what makes the bikes so expensive.

I could see them going to a stricter (than it currently is) control over how many engines they can use per year though. That has been a big deal recently.

Time will tell I guess!
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Can't see them going to a "spec" engine or a production style engine. Somehow I don't think the engine is what makes the bikes so expensive.

I could see them going to a stricter (than it currently is) control over how many engines they can use per year though. That has been a big deal recently.

Time will tell I guess!
Or putting a cap limitation on the electronics. I think that is one of the things that costs a fortune. The R&D alone is ridiculous, I have heard.

If they do end up going with production motors modified extensively, we may see more bikes like the desmo available for the public. Or at least some bad race parts... maybe.

Why don't they just try to recruit more sponsors? Small dividends from many companies will add up. forbid that they have to cut some of the rider's pay.........
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Bring the 990's back and NO electronic rider aids, it's not that hard
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It would be fun to see them have a go at bikes with no traction control/launch control/etc. Then the real talent would come out, not that those guys aren't ridiculously talented anyways.

The idea of starting with the production engine as a platform is kind of intriguing. That way it would seem like they are riding the same bike that you and I could get down at the dealership, even though it would be very far from it. Unfortunately, in my mind, that would be too much like WSB.

I think it would be nice to see them keep the 800cc machines they currently have now, and do away with a lot of the electronics on the bike. I am sure there would be some engine detuning envolved, but it would make for some great racing, and some great sliding. I would imagine though at the beginning you would see some pretty rough crashes, since everyone would still be used to traction control and the likes.

, put them all on motards and let them go at it!
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if they go to 1ks or bring back the 990's we might get to see a rider win who does;nt look like a cancer paitient or a horse jockey suffering from buelimiea. I could'nt stop laughing when Pedrosa was on the podium at Laguna the women had to bend down to hand him his trophey. The big bikes will give americans a chance again, Spies for the win 2011.
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I think this would be a stupid move. Somewhere there needs to be a full-on prototype class. the motorcycle equivalent to F1 racing. This......to me.....should be GPs.
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I think this would be a stupid move. Somewhere there needs to be a full-on prototype class. the motorcycle equivalent to F1 racing. This......to me.....should be GPs.

F1 is the fkn pits,
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i say highly modified production bikes for motogp and highly modified 600s for 250 and highly modified single cylinders 450s for 125s this will def help production motors prosper on the r and d side.
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They mentioned this move in the broadcast of the WSBK race yesterday... something to the effect of "Well if MotoGP has to move to a spec engine to keep the series alive, they needn't look at WSBK with 2 successful (BMW/ Aprilia) completely new bikes in the lead...".

I don't know if they were taking a shot at MotoGP or if they were just potentiating the rumour, OR if they actually knew something...
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i say highly modified production bikes for motogp and highly modified 600s for 250 and highly modified single cylinders 450s for 125s this will def help production motors prosper on the r and d side.
I say thats fscknig retarded. Wth the exception of the 450s what you've described is, verbatim, the WSBK/WSS program.
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I say thats fscknig retarded. Wth the exception of the 450s what you've described is, verbatim, the WSBK/WSS program.
Well, not exactly. WSBK isn't highly modified like I would call MotoGP, the controls placed on the engines are pretty stringent by comparison to years past in WSBK. I think there is a ton more they could do to the engines if rules would allow. Not to mention if one manufacturer is too dominate (Ducati last year) they place more weight on those bikes to even the field.
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Well, not exactly. WSBK isn't highly modified like I would call MotoGP, the controls placed on the engines are pretty stringent by comparison to years past in WSBK. I think there is a ton more they could do to the engines if rules would allow. Not to mention if one manufacturer is too dominate (Ducati last year) they place more weight on those bikes to even the field.
They could do more, sure. However, how much further could you go, and still call the bikes production based?

I think the bolded comment is a little funny........considering ducati won last year, and STILL managed to get a 200cc dsiplacement advantage.
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They could do more, sure. However, how much further could you go, and still call the bikes production based?

I think the bolded comment is a little funny........considering ducati won last year, and STILL managed to get a 200cc dsiplacement advantage.
I think it was mid-season when they threatened Ducati that they were going to add weight IIRC, they had won every (or all but 1) race by a healthy margin and had placed 1-2 and 1-2-3, etc, in every race. After WSBK said they were going to add weight, magically, other manufacturers started winning...

A little research would probably find the straight skinny on that- but I'm too lazy and have been avoiding getting started working too much already!
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