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Old 07-15-2009, 02:06 AM   #1
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Nasty Noise?

When I first start my bike it sounds sick...it is a nasty noise has oil just had it changed... What eles could it be? If the valve needed ajustment would it make a nasty noise...the noise sounds kinda like its out of oil....idk any help would be great.... Thanks
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Old 07-15-2009, 05:34 AM   #2
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check the oil level...
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You better check the oil before you run it anymore....Who changed the oil? The longer it runs, the more damage its doing so.....you better get on it. Freakin kawis are NOTORIOUS for oiling problems.....ZX11s/ZX12s use to lunch motors all the time from bad oiling circuits.
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I've had a lot of old school kawi's in my life (and never had a problem with one of them) and thought that I would ALWAYS ride them, but I gotta admit that my Gixxer has been VERY good to me over the last year+. Honda has always sucked for me, Kawasaki has been great, Suzuki has been great and Yamaha has been average at best. Keep in mind though that the bike I have now (a '92) is the newest bike I've ever owned. I'm an old fart that has owned some pretty old bikes!
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It's very possible that the oil pump didn't pick up the fresh oil after you changed the oil.
For some reason it's an issue with a lot of the Kawis.
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Cam chain tensioner. Next time you start it, shut it off and restart it to see if it quits.
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Cam chain tensioner. Next time you start it, shut it off and restart it to see if it quits.
Yep,he got it.Make sure it has the right oil filter.I had one filter with a styrofoam peanut lodged in it
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If it's the tensioner it will get better as the engine warms up, but while the engine is cold, it will have a bad cam chain clatter that will sound very disturbing. I have not seen very many trochoidial oil pump failures in my 15 years as a powersports technician, even when they have extreme scars from lack of oil, once the oil level is up they work fine, this is why they are used in such high performance engines. Is the sound faster that the RPM's or does it seam slower (might sound like a wierd question, but there is a reason for it)?
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Old 07-15-2009, 10:21 PM   #11
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I didn't say the oil pump failed, but that it did not pick up prime after draining the oil and refilling it.
I've seen this on quite a few Kawi's after the oil was changed.
If it was the CCT it likely wouldn't have coincindentally started right after the oil change.
I'm not saying it's not possible, just unlikely to start immediately after the oil change. Typically the CCT starts making a minor noise and gets louder as it wears / does not adjust properly.
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When I change my oil in any bike I always leave the filter loose and crank it over until oil comes out the filter then tighten it.

This with make sure you dont have an air pocket/ block in the line which will cause the oil pump not to pick up.

This is a common thing with the kaw/suziki and not a problem unless you dont know about fix/trick.

This can happen on any model bike
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Slow down there tiger, I was just making a point and I never said you made a bad diagnosis, I just made a perfectly valid point about that type of pump. Dont take what I said personal, were all posting here to help this fellow out. The orifice for the oil assist on those tensioners can become blocked by debris picked up from the bottom of the sump, this usually happens after fresh oil is poured in, this is why all 4 major OEM's state that you should warm a bike up before the oil is drained, to lightly suspend the debris off of the sump floor so it can drain out. All 4 go over this exhaustivly at the certification courses.
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Old 07-15-2009, 10:59 PM   #14
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No problem, I figure between the 2 of us, we could figure this out for our fellow rider.
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Cam chain tensioner. Next time you start it, shut it off and restart it to see if it quits.

I did that and it doesnt do it the 2nd time
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If it's the tensioner it will get better as the engine warms up, but while the engine is cold, it will have a bad cam chain clatter that will sound very disturbing. I have not seen very many trochoidial oil pump failures in my 15 years as a powersports technician, even when they have extreme scars from lack of oil, once the oil level is up they work fine, this is why they are used in such high performance engines. Is the sound faster that the RPM's or does it seam slower (might sound like a wierd question, but there is a reason for it)?
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No it only sound like that when it is first started or if i let it set for a few like when im at work
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and by the way it started this after my 1700 mile run to NM and back...after that i let the bike/my A** sit for a few days...
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and by the way it started this after my 1700 mile run to NM and back...after that i let the bike/my A** sit for a few days...
Well if its the tensioner getting weak letting the chain rattle, you better replace the tensioner quick before it either jumps a tooth and REALLY starts running like sh*t or worse then that, it jumps several teeth and you bend all the valves and tear the seats up. I am not familar with the tensioner on the 14, I think if its like the one on the ZX12, its just the spring loaded tensioner with no oil pressure line, you may be able to remove the main bolt/spring/plunger, then stick a small phillips screw driver in the hole and lightly "force" the mechanism to lock into the next click, thus tightening up the chain and quieting down the noise. Ofcourse this is only temporary until you can replace the tensioner.

Either way, you need to do something quick.
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