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Old 07-14-2009, 10:43 AM   #41
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Equally important, the lighter rider will be able to use softer springs resulting in a more responsive, easier to ride motorcycle.
This is not a factual statement Max.

What I mean is it is at the riders discretion as to the bike being easier to ride.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:41 AM   #42
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BRandt....you are not fat... You are fluffy The smaller guys already have an advantage over you. Now even out the playing field some. Losing the lbs may help your confidence to lean that bish over more
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Old 07-14-2009, 12:01 PM   #43
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This is not a factual statement Max.

What I mean is it is at the riders discretion as to the bike being easier to ride.
I can appreciate that "easier" is a relative term and easy for one rider may not be easy for another.

Would you agree, however, that in general a more compliant suspension, i.e. springs rates and dampening that offer just enough compliance to keep the bike in the operating range of the suspension is more forgiving than a stiff suspension?

Isn't it the case that as you stiffen the suspension, things begin to happen more quickly and more harshly?
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Sometimes.
But then again it depends on who is riding the bike, so it is only relative to that rider.

Quick and harsh isn't necassarily a bad thing to some racers.

And, to add to the confusion, the faster you go softer your springs "feel". So to some racers when getting on new suspension they think it is too stiff, but by the end of the day they speed up and begin to like it.

The thing is you can't put it all down to equations.
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Sometimes.
But then again it depends on who is riding the bike, so it is only relative to that rider.

Quick and harsh isn't necassarily a bad thing to some racers.

And, to add to the confusion, the faster you go softer your springs "feel". So to some racers when getting on new suspension they think it is too stiff, but by the end of the day they speed up and begin to like it.

The thing is you can't put it all down to equations.
Agreed.
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Think of it like this for the 10 feet or so you give up on the entry you can make up times on the exit. That is if you have maxed out your lean angle/grip/traction/suspension etc etc for your bike with your weight. If you gain anything on the entry and it blows your line or your losing grip on the exit your really not helping much. I may be slower than you but just think about it. Now that 10 feet you gave up to someone on the entry but your able to get on the gas sooner and harder, don't you think it will be magnitude by the race to the next corner? You gave up a few MPH on the entry but gained 10 plus on the exit. Build your lines from the exit not the entry. Ok I will stop giving advice but next year remember that slow guy who tried to offer advice and was shunned!
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In Larry's school, Larry mentioned that he would bet everyone in his class carried more corner entry speed than him. Hooligan probably remembers him saying it. Larry did try to drill the "slow in, fast out" method into our heads. It seems counterintuitive to slow down at any part of the track to be faster overall, but he is fast and I believe him.
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i remember him backing it in at little bend and almost believing i was gonna catch him,how mistaken i was...LOL
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