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Old 07-13-2009, 12:02 AM   #21
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WOW..... No helmet....but I still have to wear a seatbelt....
That law is bullshit too. State shouldn't worry about who does or doesn't have their seatbelt on. Let the stupid one's get ejected from their vehicles and let the one's with brains take care of themselves.
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Agreed as long as not ONE penny of my money has to go to fix your when you crash, including any tax dollars, subsidies, or increases in my insurance premiums.
Thankfully, the above promulgation of the "social burden theory" has been proven false. According to UCLA's "Hurt Report" (how ironic) of some years back, the per bed cost of injured, hospitalized motorcyclists in those states which have helmet laws was equal to the per bed cost in those states that do not have helmet laws. Conclusion: Across the board, wearing a helmet has no effect on the public cost of hospitalization of injured riders.

Sounds like BS? How can this be? In looking for a unified explanation, the report went on to add that apparently, many riders in the non-helmet law states didn't need a hospital bed, as, ummmm...they didn't make it to the hospital....

Ironically, in some cases, the cost of hospitalization of helmeted riders was greater because...they were around to need their other injuries fixed! Doesn't that sound backwards?

The Hurt Report also noted that, as a class, motorcycle riders were more likely to actually have health insurance than car drivers. By implication, one could conclude that the the social burden falls on the shoulders of uninsured CAR drivers, rather than moto riders!

I don't believe in helmet laws, and think they should be repealed for riders over 21 that have at least a year's experience. That being said, I own 6 helmets (!) and wouldn't think of riding anymore than a block without one....or my leather jacket, gloves, back protector & boots. But that's just me. Repeal the law, but ferchrissakes don't be a squid and wear your helmet (and the rest of the gear) especially if you're a noob!
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Thankfully, the above promulgation of the "social burden theory" has been proven false. According to UCLA's "Hurt Report" (how ironic) of some years back, the per bed cost of injured, hospitalized motorcyclists in those states which have helmet laws was equal to the per bed cost in those states that do not have helmet laws. Conclusion: Across the board, wearing a helmet has no effect on the public cost of hospitalization of injured riders.

Sounds like BS? How can this be? In looking for a unified explanation, the report went on to add that apparently, many riders in the non-helmet law states didn't need a hospital bed, as, ummmm...they didn't make it to the hospital....

Ironically, in some cases, the cost of hospitalization of helmeted riders was greater because...they were around to need their other injuries fixed! Doesn't that sound backwards?

The Hurt Report also noted that, as a class, motorcycle riders were more likely to actually have health insurance than car drivers. By implication, one could conclude that the the social burden falls on the shoulders of uninsured CAR drivers, rather than moto riders!

I don't believe in helmet laws, and think they should be repealed for riders over 21 that have at least a year's experience. That being said, I own 6 helmets (!) and wouldn't think of riding anymore than a block without one....or my leather jacket, gloves, back protector & boots. But that's just me. Repeal the law, but ferchrissakes don't be a squid and wear your helmet (and the rest of the gear) especially if you're a noob!

Very good post!
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If I can ride with no lid then MUST I wear a seat belt in cage
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i wear my lid regardless, but why is it that helmets are optional and i just got a ticket a week ago for no seat belt in my car in the treachours and deadly streets of west university
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Thankfully, the above promulgation of the "social burden theory" has been proven false. According to UCLA's "Hurt Report" (how ironic) of some years back, the per bed cost of injured, hospitalized motorcyclists in those states which have helmet laws was equal to the per bed cost in those states that do not have helmet laws. Conclusion: Across the board, wearing a helmet has no effect on the public cost of hospitalization of injured riders.

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the hurt report is older then most of the readers of this board........

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Helmeted riders and passengers showed significantly lower head and neck injury for all types of injury, at all levels of injury severity.

The increased coverage of the full facial coverage helmet increases protection, and significantly reduces face injuries.

There is no liability for neck injury by wearing a safety helmet; helmeted riders had less neck injuries than unhelmeted riders. Only four minor injuries were attributable to helmet use, and in each case the helmet prevented possible critical or fatal head injury.
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the hurt report is older then most of the readers of this board........

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Helmeted riders and passengers showed significantly lower head and neck injury for all types of injury, at all levels of injury severity.

The increased coverage of the full facial coverage helmet increases protection, and significantly reduces face injuries.

There is no liability for neck injury by wearing a safety helmet; helmeted riders had less neck injuries than unhelmeted riders. Only four minor injuries were attributable to helmet use, and in each case the helmet prevented possible critical or fatal head injury.
Hahahahaa...yes it is, but it's findings are still considered axiomatic, even though the struggle to commission an updated report continues.

You raise good points. Some of those points have been used by ABATE (you know the ones - increase in neck injury / peripheral vision loss, etc.) to try and cast helmets as being a detriment to safety rather than a safety device. I don't know how many races the ABATE people have ever been to, or watched on TV, but I don't recall anyone showing up on a racetrack w/o a helmet..."detriment" or not! There is no serious argument about the effectiveness of helmets in preventing traumatic head injury.

Again, you raise good points, and I agree with all of them, but they're off topic. Really, my post was simply about the "social burden theory," not the particular effectiveness or ineffectiveness of helmets in general.

Of course, (also off topic ) what the report also said was that the BIGGEST predictor for accident / injury was License status and ALCOHOL.
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the hurt report is older then most of the readers of this board........

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Helmeted riders and passengers showed significantly lower head and neck injury for all types of injury, at all levels of injury severity.

The increased coverage of the full facial coverage helmet increases protection, and significantly reduces face injuries.

There is no liability for neck injury by wearing a safety helmet; helmeted riders had less neck injuries than unhelmeted riders. Only four minor injuries were attributable to helmet use, and in each case the helmet prevented possible critical or fatal head injury.

One highside I had, I came down on my head and when my head got shoved into mt left shoulder, the rim of the helmet on my shoulder stopped any further movement and I think that pretty much prevented any neck injury. I did have the gnarliest bruise around my shoulder the shape of the helmet rim for weeks, though, but I will take that over a broken neck.
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why not wear a helmet? you'll change ur mind the first time u catch a piece of flying road debris with your face. love my lid, keeps the kisser kissable..
beacuse if I'm taking the 50 across the street from the parking lot to the gas station, I don't want to have to go home to get my helmet. I stunt all the time on the 50 with no helmet. and before you ask, my 50 is street legal. should I HAVE to wear my helmet while putting around the city street on my 50 at 15 mph? i can ride a bicycle faster than that and I'm not required to wear a helmet
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Again, you raise good points, and I agree with all of them, but they're off topic. Really, my post was simply about the "social burden theory," not the particular effectiveness or ineffectiveness of helmets in general.

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well that socail burden is from medicine 27 yrs ago, nowadays they can keep a vegetable alive for a long long time........vs not as long back in teh caveman days........lol

so your comment might not be as true as it was 27yrs ago.
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beacuse if I'm taking the 50 across the street from the parking lot to the gas station, I don't want to have to go home to get my helmet. I stunt all the time on the 50 with no helmet. and before you ask, my 50 is street legal. should I HAVE to wear my helmet while putting around the city street on my 50 at 15 mph? i can ride a bicycle faster than that and I'm not required to wear a helmet
are you wanting mandatory bicycle helmet laws for adults? kids laws are already in place. you can putt at 15 but whats your 50s top speed?

and i;ve broken 3-4 bicycle helmets.
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well that socail burden is from medicine 27 yrs ago, nowadays they can keep a vegetable alive for a long long time........vs not as long back in teh caveman days........lol

so your comment might not be as true as it was 27yrs ago.

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are you wanting mandatory bicycle helmet laws for adults? kids laws are already in place. you can putt at 15 but whats your 50s top speed?

and i;ve broken 3-4 bicycle helmets.
top speed on the 50 is 35mph. I can do that on flat ground on a bicycle and I'm not required to wear a helmet and the bicycle doesn't even have the visibility that the 50 does. the 50 at least has a headlight and taillight for cars to see me
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Why? If I want to go without a helmet, that should be my choice not the states choice
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That law is bullshit too. State shouldn't worry about who does or doesn't have their seatbelt on. Let the stupid one's get ejected from their vehicles and let the one's with brains take care of themselves.
Ricky and I both got ejected from his truck 3 weeks ago; We both were in a coma for 2-3 days and I spent over a week in the hospital...HOWEVER, we are both not vegatables and ALIVE because we DIDNT have our seatbelts on.

The roof of the truck is almost to the seats. It flipped three times. If i was stuck in my seat and not going through the windsheild, We would both be DEAD forever, not close to it for 2-3 days....

aka, pro-choice.... ( i cant imagine a kind of accident where no helmet could save u, but none the less... when ur of age, you should be the one in control of injury and life risk)
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Ricky and I both got ejected from his truck 3 weeks ago; We both were in a coma for 2-3 days and I spent over a week in the hospital...HOWEVER, we are both not vegatables and ALIVE because we DIDNT have our seatbelts on.

The roof of the truck is almost to the seats. It flipped three times. If i was stuck in my seat and not going through the windsheild, We would both be DEAD forever, not close to it for 2-3 days....

aka, pro-choice.... ( i cant imagine a kind of accident where no helmet could save u, but none the less... when ur of age, you should be the one in control of injury and life risk)
in your accident, you flying MAY have saved your life. i've seen plenty of pancaked cars/trucks and occupants were still inside and alive. are you saying in general that not wearing seatbelts is safer?

does that mean your not going to wear seatbelts from here on out? cuz of the results of this accident?
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