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Old 07-09-2009, 01:39 PM   #61
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Old 07-09-2009, 01:46 PM   #62
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I had this argument with a bunch of okie racers a year or so ago, and no one could come to a sound scientific conclusion.

A bike on the brakes or gas will, at the least, resist turning in more.
Really, a bike on the brakes will resist turning in? That's curious and antithetical to the physics isn't it? As a bike slows,

1. the rotational inertia of the wheels decreases resulting an a bike easier to turn in
2. The forks compress, effectively raising the rear ride height making the bike easier to turn in
3. The speed of the bike decreases hence the centripetal force decreases, making the bike easier to turn in

So what force would counteract all of these forces and cause the bike to resist turning in other than fear / survival reaction when the rider gets scared and stands the bike up??
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Really, a bike on the brakes will resist turning in? That's curious and antithetical to the physics isn't it? As a bike slows,

1. the rotational inertia of the wheels decreases resulting an a bike easier to turn in
2. The forks compress, effectively raising the rear ride height making the bike easier to turn in
3. The speed of the bike decreases hence the centripetal force decreases, making the bike easier to turn in

So what force would counteract all of these forces and cause the bike to resist turning in other than fear / survival reaction when the rider gets scared and stands the bike up??
The force counteracting these is the braking/acceleration itself.
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Really, a bike on the brakes will resist turning in? That's curious and antithetical to the physics isn't it? As a bike slows,

1. the rotational inertia of the wheels decreases resulting an a bike easier to turn in
2. The forks compress, effectively raising the rear ride height making the bike easier to turn in
3. The speed of the bike decreases hence the centripetal force decreases, making the bike easier to turn in

So what force would counteract all of these forces and cause the bike to resist turning in other than fear / survival reaction when the rider gets scared and stands the bike up??
i wouldnt waste ur time paying any attention to these kinds of threads max. its just more of the blind leading the blind
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Old 07-09-2009, 02:38 PM   #66
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i wouldnt waste ur time paying any attention to these kinds of threads max. its just more of the blind leading the blind
Yup. I asked it to be closed 45 posts ago when it got retarded. I won't make another one like it.
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Old 07-09-2009, 02:47 PM   #67
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Yup. I asked it to be closed 45 posts ago when it got retarded. I won't make another one like it.
i dont care. i read this for a good laugh. they do one trackday and they know it all
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since the thread has made it this far. I'll take the time to say my .02 on the situation, not the thread subject.


You havent seen me at a track day lately, and wont see me for a while because I am convinced that there is less than a handfull of people that can actually help me become faster (local people). And those people are either too busy or not willing to help someone they see as a threat, so I will be sitting out until I can make it to a AMA recognized track to ride with some real talent and get some good advice from people that actually know what they are doing. I'd rather pay $1g for an hour with someone that knows than spend $1g for 5 track days with people that dont know.
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since the thread has made it this far. I'll take the time to say my .02 on the situation, not the thread subject.


You havent seen me at a track day lately, and wont see me for a while because I am convinced that there is less than a handfull of people that can actually help me become faster (local people). And those people are either too busy or not willing to help someone they see as a threat, so I will be sitting out until I can make it to a AMA recognized track to ride with some real talent and get some good advice from people that actually know what they are doing. I'd rather pay $1g for an hour with someone that knows than spend $1g for 5 track days with people that dont know.
Go do some private lessons with larry. a few of the cmra fast will teach you a thing or 2 mr. Biaggi.
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Old 07-09-2009, 04:43 PM   #73
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The force counteracting these is the braking/acceleration itself.
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since the thread has made it this far. I'll take the time to say my .02 on the situation, not the thread subject.


You havent seen me at a track day lately, and wont see me for a while because I am convinced that there is less than a handfull of people that can actually help me become faster (local people). And those people are either too busy or not willing to help someone they see as a threat, so I will be sitting out until I can make it to a AMA recognized track to ride with some real talent and get some good advice from people that actually know what they are doing. I'd rather pay $1g for an hour with someone that knows than spend $1g for 5 track days with people that dont know.
And I was so looking forward to putting my transponder on your bike to show those 1:40 flat lap times.
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I had this argument with a bunch of okie racers a year or so ago, and no one could come to a sound scientific conclusion.

A bike on the brakes or gas will, at the least, resist turning in more.
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nice chart but I have no idea what chatter or wallow is?
wallow is like a bobbing feeling. the bike feels like it is loading and unloading both front and rear suspension at the same time. not to be mistaken with a see-saw effect.

chatter.....well it explains itself. chatter is usually an abrupt feeling, can sometimes feel like a momentary vibration.
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since the thread has made it this far. I'll take the time to say my .02 on the situation, not the thread subject.


You havent seen me at a track day lately, and wont see me for a while because I am convinced that there is less than a handfull of people that can actually help me become faster (local people). And those people are either too busy or not willing to help someone they see as a threat, so I will be sitting out until I can make it to a AMA recognized track to ride with some real talent and get some good advice from people that actually know what they are doing. I'd rather pay $1g for an hour with someone that knows than spend $1g for 5 track days with people that dont know.
WTF, what happend to riding for fun?

I mean, good luck to you, but
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since the thread has made it this far. I'll take the time to say my .02 on the situation, not the thread subject.


You havent seen me at a track day lately, and wont see me for a while because I am convinced that there is less than a handfull of people that can actually help me become faster (local people). And those people are either too busy or not willing to help someone they see as a threat, so I will be sitting out until I can make it to a AMA recognized track to ride with some real talent and get some good advice from people that actually know what they are doing. I'd rather pay $1g for an hour with someone that knows than spend $1g for 5 track days with people that dont know.
TY howard for one day is less than that. what ya scared of?
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